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Some good sense from Mr. Pence:

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Vice President Mike Pence on Sunday encouraged people living in areas with coronavirus outbreaks to wear a mask to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

At a press conference alongside Texas and Trump administration officials at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Pence plainly called on Americans to "wear a mask, wherever it's indicated."

"We encourage everyone to wear a mask in the affected areas," Pence said. "Where you can't maintain social distancing, wearing a mask is just a good idea, especially young people," he added.

 

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This is not an original thought, but it's true. 

With the lack of real sports, tracking COVID-19 stats are our new sport. 

Florida and Texas are tanking for a better draft position. They really choked away a strong first half. 

New York is the comeback player of the year. 

Ontario's defence has been amazing! 

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3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

On the positive side of things, some care homes have done well in Ontario:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/nobody-died-in-these-nursing-homes-what-did-they-do-right-1.4998204

Apart from early, thorough planning, a common theme seems to be adequate staffing. 

And that many staff were working in multiple homes. 

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Since the testing thing is what many are using as an excuse for the spiking rate in the US, consider this. 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/florida

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa

Nationally the positivity rate in the US is a hair under 7%. In Florida it's north of 15%. 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/new-york

In New York the positivity rate is 1.1%. 

https://www.ontario.ca/page/how-ontario-is-responding-covid-19#section-0

Ontario has been is under 1% for over a week now. With 20-30k tests per day and around rarely over 200 positive cases. 

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5 hours ago, Boges said:

And that many staff were working in multiple homes. 

This sounds like a facility that responded well to the challenge of the pandemic:

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Staff who worked at multiple jobs were asked to choose only one employer long before it was mandated. Shepherd Village, which typically employs about 460 full and part-time employees, initially lost 20 per cent of its staff as a result. The cumulative loss was up to 30 per cent after some could no longer work due to child or elder care responsibilities once the pandemic was officially declared.

But Shepherd Village said they began looking to hire additional employees early on, not just to fill the vacancies from staff who left, but due to additional staffing requirements as a result of their early pandemic safety measures. More help was needed for the additional screening and to fill in gaps created by staff having to cohort on a single floor. Even meals -- which usually entailed one staff member helping three or four residents at a dining table -- required more hands and one-on-one help after tray service was implemented. More help was also needed to facilitate phone calls, Skype, and FaceTime sessions between residents and family.

With assistance from the Ontario Long-Term Care Association, Beckles was hiring 30 people at a time, connecting with colleges to bring in nursing and personal support worker (PSW) students, getting retired nurses to come back and recertify, and hiring quickly outside the bargaining unit. They were able to return to their original staffing level and beyond, with managers going back to the frontline as new hires underwent training.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/nobody-died-in-these-nursing-homes-what-did-they-do-right-1.4998204

 

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Just as I surmised, the partial re-opening in Ontario has resulted in the virus spreading out of its confines in Toronto and Ottawa, and into regions where the virus was already more or less eradicated.

Kingston Has Outbreak

I heard there were buses full of rich ladies coming out to get their hair and nails done. They were offering big money as long as they don't have to prove residence. Well, there you go.

What we see is a failure of leadership. The shutdown had its effect, and it was the failed decision making of the Ford government, to allow Level 3 in some areas while Toronto and Ottawa are at Level 2, that created this outbreak. Any deaths as a result are blood on the provincial leaderships hands, directly.


"Stupid is."
- A. J. OftenWrong

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Toronto has voted for a mandatory face mask by-law that goes into effect on 7 July.

...which spawned this marvelous comment to describe them:

"virtue signaling face diapers"

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13 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Just as I surmised, the partial re-opening in Ontario has resulted in the virus spreading out of its confines in Toronto and Ottawa, and into regions where the virus was already more or less eradicated.

Kingston Has Outbreak

I heard there were buses full of rich ladies coming out to get their hair and nails done. They were offering big money as long as they don't have to prove residence. Well, there you go.

What we see is a failure of leadership. The shutdown had its effect, and it was the failed decision making of the Ford government, to allow Level 3 in some areas while Toronto and Ottawa are at Level 2, that created this outbreak. Any deaths as a result are blood on the provincial leaderships hands, directly.


"Stupid is."
- A. J. OftenWrong

I think flare ups are going to happen. But with the case load so low now, Contract tracing and isolation is much easier then when it's multiple thousand new cases every day, not a couple hundred. 

The Kingston example is the only one I've heard of beyond the migrant workers situation in Leamington. I'm curious if these women were wearing masks or not. 

BTW Ottawa and Kingston both moved to Phase 2 at the same time. It was the GTA that was held back a week. Then Windsor, Toronto and Peel (Mississauga and Brampton) was held back a little longer after that. 

No one is in Phase 3 yet. I know the sentiment I have is to support local restaurants, not going elsewhere just because they're in a different phase. 

I suspect most deaths we see now are still a result of LTC outbreaks. 

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On 6/28/2020 at 4:51 PM, taxme said:

I don't give a shit about it because I know that this is all just a false flag pile of bull. Those mentioned above know that it is all just a bunch of horse manure. Sadly, they have been able to convince most of the majority of Canadians to believe their lie. Event 201 pretty much explains it all. But it would appear as though most Canadians are not all that interested in hearing about. it.

People are whipped by fear since the day they are born. There's no way they can even fathom the depth of corruption in our society, it would disturb them too much.

They chose the blue pill.

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

No one is in Phase 3 yet. I know the sentiment I have is to support local restaurants, not going elsewhere just because they're in a different phase. 

I suspect most deaths we see now are still a result of LTC outbreaks. 

We've had our pubs open, patios on the street by sidewalks for about two weeks now. You want a beer on a patio outside, in a nice downtown setting Come on over. 2 1/2 hour drive from TO. Ninety minutes from Ottawa. There's a nice waterfront here, historic grounds.

Or you can stay home and use your computer all day like you've been doing for the past 4 months. Up to you...

Oh by the way thanks Doug... you are worthless. As are we who empowered you. There's nothing like terrible leadership in a real crisis.

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4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

We've had our pubs open, patios on the street by sidewalks for about two weeks now. You want a beer on a patio outside, in a nice downtown setting Come on over. 2 1/2 hour drive from TO. Ninety minutes from Ottawa. There's a nice waterfront here, historic grounds.

Or you can stay home and use your computer all day like you've been doing for the past 4 months. Up to you...

Oh by the way thanks Doug... you are worthless. As are we who empowered you. There's nothing like terrible leadership in a real crisis.

Pubs are open across the Province. The only exception is Leamington where they have this Migrant worker outbreak. 
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-to-allow-toronto-and-peel-region-to-enter-stage-2-this-week-1.4994146
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/kingsville-leamington-stage1-needs-reopening-1.5633026

I was able to use a patio two weeks ago as well. 

Cities are partially closing streets so businesses can expand their patios or create ones. 

DoFo did nothing different than just about every leader in the developed world. Except the idiots in states like Florida, Texas, Arizona etc who've had to roll back opening plans because they allowed 20-somethings to party indoors. 

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They got the free advertising courtesy of the media:

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Personal care services will also open up and that’s good news for Binhs Nails and Spa. Binh Nguyen says she has taken every precaution to keep her customers safe, whether it’s getting their nails done or a pedicure.

Nguyen says she’s already booked solid for her first day back in business.

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

DoFo did nothing different than just about every leader in the developed world.

Oh, glad you support his expertise here. That's up to you.

"Ontario", whoever that is if not DoFo, implemented a gradual reopening strategy implying different areas have different levels of restriction, bcause they have more virus.

Yet there is no provision to block travel within Ontario, which means if you are in Toronto, Peel, Oakville you are under more restrictions. Drive outside the GTA, and that problem is solved. This continued until just recently, when they realized the illogic of such an approach... it actually spread the virus.

More Ontario regions to enter next phase of reopening

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Regions including Durham, Hamilton, York, and Halton set to ease restrictions Friday

CBC News · Posted: Jun 15, 2020

 

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DoFo style of leadership:

"I don't know what to do guys, but you guys decide what to do. Every municipality can decide it on their own."

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Oh, glad you support his expertise here. That's up to you.

"Ontario", whoever that is if not DoFo, implemented a gradual reopening strategy implying different areas have different levels of restriction, bcause they have more virus.

Yet there is no provision to block travel within Ontario, which means if you are in Toronto, Peel, Oakville you are under more restrictions. Drive outside the GTA, and that problem is solved. This continued until just recently, when they realized the illogic of such an approach... it actually spread the virus.

More Ontario regions to enter next phase of reopening

We were discussing this before. You wanted there to be measures to ensure people couldn't travel to municipalities in different regions and receive services. 

But people are already doing that. Going up to the Cottage or Trailer. Going on Day Trips. You can't stop that. 

I don't see a measurable spike in cases due to people leaving Toronto for other communities. And now they're all open. 

So what's the issue? The test will be in a week from now. Has all this re-opening caused a huge spike. So far, so good. People are being responsible. 

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Just now, OftenWrong said:

DoFo style of leadership:

"I don't know what to do guys, but you guys decide what to do. Every municipality can decide it on their own."

That's totally not what happened. 

First he allowed everywhere except the GTA and Windsor to open. Then the next week he allowed everywhere but Toronto, Peel and Windsor to open. Then last Wednesday he allowed Toronto, Peel and most of Windsor to open. Have you been paying attention to the news? 

He's doing that with Mask mandates because he doesn't want to make a blanket law. 

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21 minutes ago, Boges said:

We were discussing this before. You wanted there to be measures to ensure people couldn't travel to municipalities in different regions and receive services. 

But people are already doing that. Going up to the Cottage or Trailer. Going on Day Trips. You can't stop that. 

I don't see a measurable spike in cases due to people leaving Toronto for other communities. And now they're all open. 

So what's the issue? The test will be in a week from now. Has all this re-opening caused a huge spike. So far, so good. People are being responsible. 

And I told you how to prevent that, didn't I. People have to show proof of residency to use a service. A driver's licence, or ID and a utility bill. It won't stop everyone, but at least it's a step.The criminals such as little old ladies with $1000 dollar bills will always find ways to get their hair, nails and body waxing appointment.

It should have been made part of the requirements to operate, in order to discourage travel between cities for the purpose of commercial services. On the other hand, it may have simply made more sense to let those outer regions wait another few weeks, while the infection drops off in Toronto etc. Then we all go to the next level or reopening together.

Control of virus spread is also about isolation on regional levels. We have closed off provincial borders, because the laws enable us with those powers. That provides a level of control, and also ensures the provincial health care system is working within its cachement areas. But to restrict travel within the province, it would be necessary to put up road blocks and that idea is not favourable. Commerce, trucking had to continue. They did put roadblocks up in Italy in the beginning of their outbreak, as there are only two roads, but they announced it days beforehand and thousands of people "escaped" to the south before the closure came in effect. Evidence stands clear on that one.

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5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Control of virus spread is also about isolation on regional levels. We have closed off provincial borders, because the laws enable us with those powers. That provides a level of control, and also ensures the provincial health care system is working within its cachement areas. But to restrict travel within the province, it would be necessary to put up road blocks and that idea is not favourable. Commerce, trucking had to continue. They did put roadblocks up in Italy in the beginning of their outbreak, as there are only two roads, but they announced it days beforehand and thousands of people "escaped" to the south before the closure came in effect. Evidence stands clear on that one.

That's just not going to happen. Especially with the low numbers we're seeing now. People work and live in different regions. 

If I work in one region and live in another, I can't buy anything when I go to work? 

Social Distancing and mask wearing in indoor public places seems to be working. 

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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

People are whipped by fear since the day they are born. There's no way they can even fathom the depth of corruption in our society, it would disturb them too much.

They chose the blue pill.

And you were somehow born fully woke and aware of the hell on earth you were born into or did someone just drop you on your head perhaps? 

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4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

They got the free advertising courtesy of the media:

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Note here, the date of the article on Global News is June 11. Nguyen's shop is now more than famous. It is in fact infamous...

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And you were somehow born fully woke and aware of the hell on earth you were born into or did someone just drop you on your head perhaps? 

Never mind me. Keep your eyes fixated on the prize, little man.

Enjoy your steak...

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6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

People are whipped by fear since the day they are born. There's no way they can even fathom the depth of corruption in our society, it would disturb them too much.

They chose the blue pill.

Most Canadians could not stand to hear the truth. Most do not even want to hear or know the truth. If they did learn the truth, and how they have been manipulated and have been made total asses of by their professional dear comrade leaders, and their lying and fake leftist liberal/socialist media for so long, even then they would probably still deny it. Most Canadians have truly become very puzzling and truly an exercise in futility. I do believe that most Canadians are on and taking their blue pills every day. Which is odd because they mostly appear to be red in nature. But hey, what more can be said about Canadians, eh? ;)

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Never mind me. Keep your eyes fixated on the prize, little man.

Enjoy your steak...

Okay, but as for minding you...the prize is the spectacle you make of your own special wokeness and I can't help but enjoy poking it. 

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

the prize is the spectacle you make of your own special wokeness and I can't help but enjoy poking it. 

Only because you choose to extend what I say into the absurd realm where you reside. Or haven't you noticed... you are the one saying the most ridiculous things here.

That's right, you carry on enjoying what your position of good fortune, privilege and entitlement bestows on you. They say they danced in the last days of Pompei.

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