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Her views are similar to mine, but she is even more skilled/ trained. She chose to speak out on twitter.

Now being attacked by the media. Here is the attack-

Ontario doctor subject of complaints after COVID-19 tweets


Yet the story bolsters her argument and illustrates how politicized the information about the virus has become. It's due to the Trump presidency.

 

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One of her tweets, from Aug. 6, stated: 
"#Humanity's existing effective defences against #COVID19 to safely return to normal life now includes:
-Truth, 
-T-cell Immunity, 
-Hydroxychloroquine."

That tweet has since been taken down for violating Twitter's rules. Twitter doesn't confirm what rules a specific tweet may have violated when it has been taken down.


Here's the political hook, line and sinker for fish heads-

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Hydroxychloroquine is a drug used to treat malaria and it has been touted by U.S. President Donald Trump as a potential fix for COVID-19. However, the drug has been shown to be ineffective in combating the virus, according to a major study published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

 

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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Her views are similar to mine, but she is even more skilled/ trained. She chose to speak out on twitter.

She's a pediatrician.  I (and most sane people) will continue to rely on highly trained experts in the field of epidemiology, including researchers trained in cellular biology, molecular biology, chemistry, biochemistry, and microbiology.

You can continue to rely on medical professionals in unrelated fields who support your views.  

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3 hours ago, dialamah said:

You can continue to rely on medical professionals in unrelated fields who support your views.  

Continue? What the hell are you talking about. I've posted from top experts like Evans. You could not respond to those posts which I cited, on two occasions.

So don't you tell me what I "continue" to do.

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6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You could not respond to those posts which I cited, on two occasions.

I read the cite and I did respond. I'll even repeat my response: I'll continue to follow the recommendations of the majority of experts rather than the small minority who claim something else.  To do otherwise would make me as dumb as anti-vaxxers.  

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9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Continue? What the hell are you talking about. I've posted from top experts like Evans.

Dr. Evans now thinks masks are useful and more than just a psychological comfort.

"I don't think there's any question there's a role for masks," said Dr. Evans.

"Masks when combined with a lot of the other measures that we have, including physical distancing and restricting some socialization events, is going to be important."

 Perhaps his new support for masks is bevause, as he notes in the article you cited:

"Things are changing all the time. We just keep getting more evidence and more data,” Evans said. 

Maybe you could consider following his example.

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6 hours ago, dialamah said:

Dr. Evans now thinks masks are useful and more than just a psychological comfort.

"I don't think there's any question there's a role for masks," said Dr. Evans.

 

He always said masks are useful. I posted that same information, from another source. Learn to read my posts and give them consideration before attempting any "corrections", well intentioned or otherwise.

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I see people wearing homemade getups, scarves, and bandanas. Yesterday there was a lady with a mini-visor that only covered her mouth and nose with a small piece of clear plastic. They let her in the store. The health order wording is "face covering", not mask, so it is a wide open interpretation. But it seems like everyone has the attitude anything over your mouth and nose is fine. But that too is naive.

National Post today-

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Surprisingly, a fleece neck gaiter actually increased the number of droplets expelled. 'The notion that "anything is better than nothing" didn’t hold true'

Here's a useful little tidbit:
 

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“We confirmed that when people speak, small droplets get expelled, so disease can be spread by talking, without coughing or sneezing,” Martin Fischer, one of the study authors, an associate research professor at Duke, said in a news release. “We could also see that some face coverings performed much better than others in blocking expelled particles.”

When you talk to someone, especially when close to them don't face directly at them and speak. Turn your head away so that your expelled breath doesn't direct toward them It can go even farther than just 2 m in an enclosed room.

ETA: Any droplets don't remain airborne for long. They fall to the ground within a short range of the person speaking. The vapour can't be screened out by these cheap masks, and that's where the pitfall lies. Masks are not useful, they prvide minimal protection and a false sense of security.
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Not that authorities give a damn, just look at what's going on. The virus count is going back up. They're gonna let the kids go back to school, no masks, even though parents don't want them to.

I say it's because they want us to get the virus now.We need to kill it before the cool weather returns, or we are due for another round of this. But it looks like it's too late for that already. We have extended the virus' lifetime by hiding, and found when we came out again that it was still waiting for us.

 

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Follow-up to my last post. I just read this now, and it explains my thoughts on the current situation. I know some of you are bewildered and perplexed with what's going on.

No one's talking about winter yet.

(Except me)

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For months, we've been told to stay apart to stop the spread, but chilly temperatures will force people to cram indoors.

Actually for months we were told to stay indoors, and I warned about that. As winter comes we will stay indoors again, and there is no question the virus will still be here.

As the article states:
 

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Morris said facing this complex set of challenges requires coming to terms with one key fact: While the seasons may be changing, the virus behind COVID-19 isn't going anywhere. That means Canadians need to figure out new ways to handle the cold winter months and mitigate spread.

"We're not getting back to normal any time soon," he said.

 

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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Follow-up to my last post. I just read this now, and it explains my thoughts on the current situation. I know some of you are bewildered and perplexed with what's going on.

No one's talking about winter yet.

(Except me)

Actually for months we were told to stay indoors, and I warned about that. As winter comes we will stay indoors again, and there is no question the virus will still be here.

As the article states:

An argument can be made that the extreme heat seen in the Southern US if effectively like Winter. Most people, especially those at risk of death from COVID-19 spend their time inside being cooled by AC. 

I think the best course of action is to reduce the level of infection as much as you can. 

Perhaps many will take up Skiing this winter instead of playing hockey in a stuffy arena. 

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20 hours ago, dialamah said:

I read the cite and I did respond. I'll even repeat my response: I'll continue to follow the recommendations of the majority of experts rather than the small minority who claim something else.  To do otherwise would make me as dumb as anti-vaxxers.  

You didn't read enough, and you didn't respond to this.

 

Dated July 12

On 7/12/2020 at 9:27 AM, OftenWrong said:

Or let me ask you another question. If a person has coronavirus and goes outdoors wearing a mask that is not N95, do you now feel safe being within less than 2 metres for this person? Because you shouldn't.

Road to hell, and stuff.

In light of what I posted today about the useless scarves and etc. from National Post.
Still awaiting your reply..

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2 hours ago, Boges said:

I think the best course of action is to reduce the level of infection as much as you can. 

It would be best if the virus had run its course and was gone already. Now that we're looking at the return of cold weather we can expect the situation to continue until next spring.

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Perhaps many will take up Skiing this winter instead of playing hockey in a stuffy arena. 

Suggestions in the media that we need to stay outside somehow throughout the winter. Igloo life.

Hockey can also be played outdoors.

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2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

If a person has coronavirus and goes outdoors wearing a mask that is not N95, do you now feel safe being within less than 2 metres for this person?

I don't feel safe being within 2 meters of people, masked or not.  This includes people in my "bubble"; I maintain that distance with them, even if they are masked.  

 

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

It would be best if the virus had run its course and was gone already. Now that we're looking at the return of cold weather we can expect the situation to continue until next spring.

Are you parroting the Herd Mentality BS? How's that working in the US? 

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Suggestions in the media that we need to stay outside somehow throughout the winter. Igloo life.

Hockey can also be played outdoors.

 

Well, how often do you stay outdoors doing anything but recreational activities? 

 

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3 hours ago, Boges said:

Are you parroting the Herd Mentality BS?

I'm saying that's exactly what you see happening now. And that's why they are letting kids go back to school, without masks.

The virus is still out there and there is no vaccine, but now they don't like the idea of a shutdown anymore. They have learned the hard way, it's the wrong approach because it cannot be made to work effectively. It costs too much blood and treasure and it didn't work. Thanks to poor planning that should have been understood since SARS-1, and incompetent leaders who are not real leaders, we are now looking at another year of this complete obsession with a virus.

 

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4 hours ago, dialamah said:

I don't feel safe being within 2 meters of people, masked or not.  This includes people in my "bubble"; I maintain that distance with them, even if they are masked. 

That's a little much, but it's up to you. Health experts that say it is ok to have a normal, close relationship with people in your inner circle. It's also understood that even with these cheap masks, you are at risk when indoors with others for a long time. It won't matter how far way you stand, if you breath the same indoor air for long enough. Your little paper masks and shawls and towels cannot filter out the airborne vapour.

And today we learned, in addition to the false sense of security there are certain types of face coverings that even make it worse, not better. So much for the adage "It's better than nothing". Now proven false.

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7 hours ago, Boges said:

There seems to be a noticeable spike in infection rates for children in the US.

It appears they aren't immune like a certain President said. 

You could see yet another spike coming as children return to schools in places where the infection isn't under control.

Not sure if he said or meant immune. Being immune is a distinct thing. I don't think you can be immune if it's truly a "new" virus, but the coronavirus family itself is not that new.

Given we have reports of people who are carriers with no symptoms, that might be considered immunity. But it's not, since they have a large enough viral load to be infectious. If they were immune they would kill off the virus and not have such a viral load. Immune is the wrong word.

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Just now, OftenWrong said:

That's a little much, but it's up to you. Health experts that say it is ok to have a normal, close relationship with people in your inner circle. 

No "bubble" is entirely self-contained.   If I breathe the same air as as my friend Cheryl, I'm also potentially exposing myself to virus she picked up from somewhere else - the grocery store, her teenage son who lies about how much mask wearing and social distancing he actually did when he hung with his buddies last week.

I rely on hand washing, social distancing and mask use, as does everyone I personally know - exactly what medical experts recommend.  You arrogantly assume that if someone is wearing a mask they must be doing it wrong - as if you are the only person who's smart enough to learn what the experts suggest. 

Maybe you need to get off your horse and instead of discouraging the use of masks, educate people on how to use it properly.  Even your hero, Dr. Evans, says masks are an important tool reducing the spread of Covid.  

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4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Maybe you need to get off your horse and instead of discouraging the use of masks, educate people on how to use it properly.  Even your hero, Dr. Evans, says masks are an important tool reducing the spread of Covid.  

That is exactly what I am doing, and that's why I am the one who quoted Evans. Stating "My Hero" is being personal and facetious.

I'm on a very good horse.

I speak from experience, not google. There is a proper use of masks. Most of the common folk think it's simple as black and white. Masks make everything good. That's the very reason you see them all out and about and not social distancing. This is the majority of people, including not-so-well-informed people on TV.

I don't blame them, they just want their normal life back. I blame the leadership for giving confusing, misleading and sometimes wrong information, and for not protecting people enough from boges claims.

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4 hours ago, Boges said:

How's that working in the US? 

What's happened in the US now means that all virus information and decision making is political. So, no point discussing this thread anymore. May as well merge it with the Donald Trump and America thread.

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COVID has audited our preparedness for a pandemic and we’ve been found to be sorely lacking. The US has been even worse. Pandemics are a time for decisive action by central government, respect for scientific evidence and consideration for the safety of others. East Asia has shown us all how it should be done. American prestige has taken a serious blow here. 

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12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

COVID has audited our preparedness for a pandemic and we’ve been found to be sorely lacking. The US has been even worse. Pandemics are a time for decisive action by central government, respect for scientific evidence and consideration for the safety of others. East Asia has shown us all how it should be done. American prestige has taken a serious blow here. 

It's capitalism's prestige that's taken the hit. When hard-boiled capitalist's back's are against the wall economics needs to take precedence over virtue. To do otherwise they need to cede that socialism just might have some utility.  By the same token its a little phenomenal how much the most powerful communist dictatorship on the planet has made of giving similar respect to capitalism.

The real take away from capitalism as it's practiced in China though is how empowering corruption can be for it.  Remember when we were told how wheeling and dealing with democracies would make dictatorships more like us?  :rolleyes:

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17 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

American prestige has taken a serious blow here. 

Freedom has taken a serious blow, as long as we listen to advice from the likes of you people. But thankfuly there are plentywho are not going to do that, and who will stand up to government tyranny cloaked in the guide of good intentions. Go to hell.


(not you personally)

 

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