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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The end is zero cases.

Zero cases may not happen for a very long time, if ever. Can you imagine if it never goes away?

"The only way to really get rid of the virus is, stop looking."
- Albert OftenWrong

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34 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Can you imagine if it never goes away?

Yah...I do that with Justine T .

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37 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

^^^That is all complete crap.

Actually, NO , it is NOT crap.  It is a  correct  summary of what has taken place.  Unbiased and unvarnished.  What is strange  is that some want to rewrite history......even as recent  and memorable as this.  Both the Feds and the provincial  leaders have done a remarkable job  informing people......with  updates,   instructions  and changes   as more information became available.  When this first started.....we were a l thrown   a punch in the belly.  We  knew nothing about hsvirus .......... and had t oscamble   the experts   to provide guidelines  as they  could given the info they had.  We now  know a lot more.......

IMHO......the one  notable mistake tat was made was not recommending the wearing of masks. It is a  respiratory virus....... and contagious from droplets, sneezes,  etc.    If one respects   others    one will wear a mask...... as  when all do.......the protection is mutual. But  the humanoid is  highly resistant   to  these kind of  suggestions.........particularly  when some  actually claim  the virus to be a hoax.  You won't get any  cooperation  from them......... yet they   can risk the lives  of others. This is the same group that  is acting out  in prejudicial bias  towards  the  Chinese.  It is embarrassing to note that  hate crimes  against the Chinese have gone up in Vancouver...Which  is rather    west coast laid back casual  in attribute and  quite cosmopolitan.......given the various   nationalities that live  here. But thee is IGNORANCE  everywhere.

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39 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

^^^That is all complete crap.

Remember to wear your rubber boots, laddie.

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8 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Is that your wife?

nah....probably  his mistress.:o

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36 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said:

nah....probably  his mistress.:o

More like, our little biotch

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We get news from Sweden how the situation there is really bad but even there it is very heavily concentrated. Namely, the capital Stockholm is currently something of the biggest hotbed of the virus and a couple of other cities are also having problems but Sweden is a relatively large country and in most places there is no virus at all.

However, as the borders are beginning to open and the tourism-season will begin Swedes are not welcome in many locations because of the very bad record of the country concerning the virus. I'm sure many people living in the Woods in Sweden are quite pissed off for having their Holiday being denied because of the situation in their capital.

Another thing is that a vast proportion of the deaths in Sweden, as well as here in Finland, are in old-age care homes. In Sweden another large proportion is the ethnic minorities. 

The thing with the ethnic minorities is that they don't do social distancing. They just don't do it. It is unthinkable to even expect them to do it.

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It seems that the countries that  handled this virus  effectively,   will be reluctant  to have visitors  from  countries  that did not. The whole world is being  monitored now   ........and it is evident   where   efforts have been  serious  and more successful. It is nice to   hear about  the situation in Europe  from someone that lives there.  We  collectively  are living through  a pandemic of "biblical"   proportions.   How we  all handle it   will be recorded  for  historical  perspective.

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5 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Another thing is that a vast proportion of the deaths in Sweden, as well as here in Finland, are in old-age care homes. In Sweden another large proportion is the ethnic minorities. 

The thing with the ethnic minorities is that they don't do social distancing. They just don't do it. It is unthinkable to even expect them to do it.

Yes. I'm hearing and reading much the same from the US (Canadian media would NEVER even suggest such a thing) and from the UK. and it's said that Brazilians aren't doing much social distancing either, nor are Indians.

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21 hours ago, dialamah said:

Both federal and provincial governments instructed people to "self-isolate" when coming into the country. 

No true at all. People could voluntarily self-isolate, they were only required to self-isolate if they had symptoms. That was the case right up until March 16th.

The only mandatory quarantines, across the board, were for people coming into Canada after March 16th, so it basically only applied to Canadians.

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Some people chose not to, which is hardly JT's fault. 

Pretty much everyone chose not to. It's not JT's fault that they followed basic human nature, but it's JT's fault that they were allowed to come in the first place. He was virtue-signalling again when Canadian lives were at risk. 6,000 Canadians died because of it.

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(Our cases came from the States, btw, not China.) 

 

Liar. There's absolutely no proof of that whatsoever, and it's a completely stupid notion to begin with.

We had people from the world's foremost covid hotspots like China, Italy, Spain, France and everywhere else flying in, unscreened, and free to roam anywhere in the country. 

I can't emphasize strongly enough how unfounded and utterly stupid this comment is. 

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As for migrants, do you expect JT to stand at the border and mow them down?  Migrants happen, often regardless of what government wants or does.  Claiming he "lets them in without hesitation" displays your complete lack of understanding of the world and people.

Again, this is just stupidity. It's well known across all of North America that Roxham Rd is the "home free" line, because our PM broadcasted that to the world. 

When the PM of a country tells foreigners that they can just waltz in, people who want to do that will do that. Your complete lack of understanding of the world and people is on display here. 

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They sent stuff that was expiring; we wouldn't have been able to use it anyway because it would have been trashed.  

Totally makes sense. The stuff was good enough to use in January, but by February it was all complete garbage. (just kidding, that was dumb AF)

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13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Step away from the ledge!

...Too late!!!:unsure:

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20 hours ago, Pacifica77 said:

Actually, NO , it is NOT crap.  It is a  correct  summary of what has taken place.  Unbiased and unvarnished.  What is strange  is that some want to rewrite history......even as recent  and memorable as this.  Both the Feds and the provincial  leaders have done a remarkable job  informing people......with  updates,   instructions  and changes   as more information became available.  When this first started.....we were a l thrown   a punch in the belly.  We  knew nothing about hsvirus .......... and had t oscamble   the experts   to provide guidelines  as they  could given the info they had.  We now  know a lot more.......

IMHO......the one  notable mistake tat was made was not recommending the wearing of masks. It is a  respiratory virus....... and contagious from droplets, sneezes,  etc.    If one respects   others    one will wear a mask...... as  when all do.......the protection is mutual. But  the humanoid is  highly resistant   to  these kind of  suggestions.........particularly  when some  actually claim  the virus to be a hoax.  You won't get any  cooperation  from them......... yet they   can risk the lives  of others. This is the same group that  is acting out  in prejudicial bias  towards  the  Chinese.  It is embarrassing to note that  hate crimes  against the Chinese have gone up in Vancouver...Which  is rather    west coast laid back casual  in attribute and  quite cosmopolitan.......given the various   nationalities that live  here. But thee is IGNORANCE  everywhere.

LMAO. 

There are lies in it, and fables like "All of our cases came from the US, not China".

This is reality, it's not an echo chamber for Liberal platitudes.

Dr Tam already fell on her sword to pr0tect Trudeau. She admitted that we should blocked travel earlier and we should have been wearing masks. The gig is up.

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2 hours ago, Pacifica77 said:

 We  collectively  are living through  a pandemic of "biblical"   proportions.   How we  all handle it   will be recorded  for  historical  perspective.

It's widespread, but it's not like the Justinian plague or the black plague. It's highly surviveable.

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This has been a learn as you go along  virus.  We knew nothing about it at first.  Decisions were made on limited  facts.......As  the information became more complete   Plans  for intervention were changed and adapted.  If one i s going to  blame anyone........it is the folks  that thought they knew better than the medical experts and refused to follow protocols.    By  behaving  in a rebellious  fashion.....they  probably did their share of infecting others.  Just like  terrorist  changed  how we travel and  introduced more "security  in our lives...........this virus is "terrorizing the whole planet.........  and  is changing  how we will be living  from now on.  Those that adapt .....will  survive  .....as  the situation calls for  all  kinds of human ingenuity and creativity. This is a defining moment  in  the planet's history.  We can choose to  adapt  and create  a  new and healthier normal......or we can   rebel, complain,   resist,   etc. It  is  our opportunity  to make responsible   and mature decisions .It is not  nor will it be easy. We have become a society   that is used t of having its way.  We have taken a lot for granted......This  might be a time for some serous introspection.     Things are different now. 

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Well today was a beautiful hot day, temperatures in the high 20's. We had 28 or so this afternoon in eastern ON.

And there was a thousands dipsticks out and about everywhere. Nobody seemed to care much about the virus anymore. Well, a few did who wore maks.

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49 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's widespread, but it's not like the Justinian plague or the black plague. It's highly surviveable.

With that attitude   ,  losing over  5 million people  is just collateral damage??  A  natural  "cleaning" ?? Survival of the fittest (or luckiest)   and let's just move on?? Those of us that have worked in the medical field  simply don't take   this lightly. or with callous   indifference.

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17 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Well today was a beautiful hot day, temperatures in the high 20's. We had 28 or so this afternoon in eastern ON.

And there was a thousands dipsticks out and about everywhere. Nobody seemed to care much about the virus anymore. Well, a few did who wore maks.

The news  reported that   a drive through zoo  was opened    and from the clip  it looks like they are being very smart about it. Some gorgeous  wildlife there.:) It is no surprise tat people  are suffering from "Pandemic fatigue"

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9 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said:

The news  reported that   a drive through zoo  was opened    and from the clip  it looks like they are being very smart about it. Some gorgeous  wildlife there.:) It is no surprise tat people  are suffering from "Pandemic fatigue"

I saw some gorgeous wildlife out there too. They were not afraid to exchange a virus, I'll wager.

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Well, I wouldn`t go into Toronto on a bet.  Trinity Bellwoods park today was packed with thousands, not distancing and not wearing masks...   

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Meanwhile for some it's not a fun day at the park.

Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

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The head of the trauma in the department believes mental health is suffering so much, it is time to end the shelter-in-place order.

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

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Kacey Hansen has worked as a trauma nurse at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek for almost 33 years. She is worried because not only are they seeing more suicide attempts, she says they are not able to save as many patients as usual.

"What I have seen recently, I have never seen before," Hansen said. "I have never seen so much intentional injury."

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The trauma team is speaking out because they want the community to be aware, for people to reach out and support each other and for those who are suffering to know they can get help.

 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's widespread, but it's not like the Justinian plague or the black plague. It's highly surviveable.

Now it is, how about tomorrow ?I think we are forgetting one important thing which is because there is no vaccine for this virus and it travels so fast, there is a probability of a mutation in which case it can go either way. There is no easy answer how to proceed. I think all these measures are to buy time for that vaccine to come out as soon as possible. I really feel for whoever is in charge regardless of country, the stress that they are under, any decision has to be well thought and plan A plan B and plan C has to be ready in case it does not work out. 

PS: Toronto, today full parks, here is a picture from CP24:

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"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

what is being described is evidence of  a human   crisis.   It is not just the virus,  the   restrictions  that have been  put in place, It is also  the  economy crashing   ......as so many  are on unemployment  insurance ........with  uncertainty  re: future / jobs.   The situation for some is very grim.   I don't think many  rich  people are committing suicide.......just because of the "lock downs"  Many of them  have the resources to help  deal with  this pandemic. Those that  cosider  suicide as an option   to  deal with the situation, most likely also  have other r psychological  problems  as well

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10 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

Now it is, how about tomorrow ?I think we are forgetting one important thing which is because there is no vaccine for this virus and it travels so fast, there is a probability of a mutation in which case it can go either way.

Not normally. When they mutate these respiratory viruses often fall apart. So while there is no way to be "certain" what it will do, there is no point in hiding while we wai for something to mutate. You might also get hit by a bus tomorrow, does that mean everyone should stay home now?

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