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Did Trudeau Fail His Country On Covid-19  

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12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I just wish we had people like you, Shady and of course AlwaysRight running the show according to your insights and wouldas couldas and shouldas.  Coronavirus would already be a fading memory and the demand for new panties would mirror that of face masks.

I wonder if the Corona brewery company will want to change the name of their beer from Corona beer to Ebola beer? SARS or H1NI beer could work also. :lol: 

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50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I just wish we had people like you, Shady and of course AlwaysRight running the show according to your insights and wouldas couldas and shouldas.  Coronavirus would already be a fading memory and the demand for new panties would mirror that of face masks.

Wouldas, in this instance, just means copying Trump. Trudeau didn't have to invent social distancing, or border controls, he just had to have enough sense to realize that stopping the main path of the virus into the country was a good idea.

Sorry if something happened to your panties, I just pray that I had nothing to do with it. I prefer if you just keep fantasizing about Trudeau instead. 

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43 minutes ago, taxme said:

I guess that is why the media will not call this virus for what it should really be called. The China virus. Now today in these days of political correctness saying China virus is considered to be saying something racist. Now if this virus came from Britain or Australia the f'n media would be still calling it the British or Australian virus and that would not be seen as being racist. This Canadian so called media is so bloody anti-white it is truly on believable. Our bought off Canadian media will say anything to make Trump look bad but will never try to make Emperor Trudeau look bad. :unsure:

The media's protection of Trudeau during this crisis is just unbelievable. 

He missed the opportunity to keep the virus out, he said the wrong things right up until March 19th, he stayed out of the country after the crisis started, then when he showed up he went straight into hiding, they never questioned why he didn't just get tested so that he could man up and be a leader instead of hiding under his blankie, and now they just act like it's no big deal that he has grabbed dictatorial powers. 

The bizarre part is that so may Canadians just buy into the gawking hero worship of Trudeau and the hyper-critical parsing of every phrase that Trump utters. 

Our country has been a gong show and now our PM and health minister, who have been complete idiots during this whole crisis, have virtually unlimited power. Truth. By declaring a health emergency our health minister has actual power to issue direct orders to the RCMP. She can order them to arrest you if you don't obey any order she gives out, and the penalties are massive. If those dumb bitches had done their jobs in the first place we wouldn't be in this big of a mess. 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Wouldas, in this instance, just means copying Trump. Trudeau didn't have to invent social distancing, or border controls, he just had to have enough sense to realize that stopping the main path of the virus into the country was a good idea.

Sure, Trump had a good idea and acted on it when other's shoulda. Coulda been one of those broken clock moments you know.

Meanwhile if Trump hadda stopped when he was ahead his kill rate woulda been the same as Trudeau's instead of triple it.  I commend Trudeau for learning from Trump's example and keeping his stupid mouth closed a lot more.

 

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18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure, Trump had a good idea and acted on it when other's shoulda. Coulda been one of those broken clock moments you know.

Meanwhile if Trump hadda stopped when he was ahead his kill rate woulda been the same as Trudeau's instead of triple it.  I commend Trudeau for learning from Trump's example and keeping his stupid mouth closed a lot more.

 

The only person in this conversation who has cited proven actions taken by either leader is me. You're empty-handed and your mouth is going full speed, as usual. 

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The only person in this conversation who has cited proven actions taken by either leader is me. You're empty-handed and your mouth is going full speed, as usual. 

Hey, I completely agree that the one thing you say Trump did right, all on his own, was the right thing to do.

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4 hours ago, Argus said:

Well, I don't claim to be any sort of expert on the subject. But it seems to me that if a nurse wears it so her germs won't get on a patient if she coughs then it ought to work the same way for me. Mind you, this is an academic argument since the morons in charge never imagined there could be an epidemic and so we have no stock and nobody who makes the masks anyway.

When you cough or sneeze inside of the mask, the large globs of sputum will carry on to the mask.   The very fine spray can escape the leaks at high velocity (they are small and will get dragged into the high velocity jet of the leak.  Essentially reduces the large drops but still releases the small ones.   BUT: the loss of our supply chains to globalization is well noted and agreed.  It goes a lot deeper than masks.

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8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course, why wouldn't I?

All I can judge people by is the actions that they took, or failed to take.

Trudeau did nothing this whole time but plan a spending $100 billion spree. He didn't close off routes for the virus to get into the country until we had to shut the entire country down, he didn't do a damn thing except say things like "shutting down incoming flights from covid hotspots is unnecessary, the risk to Canadians is low".

March 18th: Visitors can fly into the country, walk through a crowded airport, they only need to self-quarantine if the mood strikes them, they can hop on our subways and skytrain, they can go eat at a buffet, no one is practicing social distancing.... it's all good.

March 28th: Canadians face mandatory quarantine upon returning to the country or face a maximum $1M fine or 6 months in jail, restaurants are closed, schools are closed, all non-essential workplaces are closed, kids can't even play baseball outside, you can't even go for a walk in a 20 sq km park. 

Can you NAME ONE THING that Trudeau did to slow the progress of the virus into Canada before March 19th, when he finally just copied Trump 45 days later? ONE THING MARCUS. Just one thing. 

Trudeau and Trump messed up. They moved too slowly. No one can say otherwise. 

However, since then, who has done a better job at handling the situation? Why do you think Canada has had a much better response to the pandemic? It's because of better leadership from the federal, provincial and municipal governments. Trudeau has outperformed Trump, both in action and in words since the initial response. 

 

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Trudeau has not outperformed Trump, the extent to which Canada is suffering less than America has little to do with government response. Those who think government responses are making a huge difference in saving lives have far too much faith in government. Of the countries whose governments have responded the most effectively, the effective measures they took had nothing to do with heavy handed mandated economic shutdowns that wreck the economy, they did so with testing and isolating the sick and vulnerable. The most panicky government responses that make the rubes feel the safest, are actually the least effective if not outright counter-productive responses, that are at best stall tactics to bide time to try and come up with a real plan.

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2 hours ago, marcus said:

However, since then, who has done a better job at handling the situation? Why do you think Canada has had a much better response to the pandemic? It's because of better leadership from the federal, provincial and municipal governments. Trudeau has outperformed Trump, both in action and in words since the initial response. 

 

 

I think it is more important for many Canadians to believe that, as there is a much larger expectation that government at all levels must protect them...must save them vs. individual actions and risks.   And based on what I can see in Canadian media, Canadians know who Dr. Anthony Fauci is, along with the CDC.    Americans largely don't know who Dr. Tam is, or what the PHAC does in Canada.   More media focus in one direction, as always.

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On 3/24/2020 at 7:12 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

My local Loblaws now closes at 8pm to help with Corona, it used to be 11pm.  Apparently they think concentrating more people in the store during fewer hours is going to help not spread the virus or something. :lol:

Probaby no one's in the store later at night. Everyone's at home cowering in the basement.

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It's, quite frankly, hilarious that Trump isn't at all to blame for the dire situation the US is in. And at the same time, Trudeau IS to blame for a crisis that hasn't yet materialized in Canada. 

Partisanship indeed. 

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14 hours ago, cannuck said:

When you cough or sneeze inside of the mask, the large globs of sputum will carry on to the mask.   The very fine spray can escape the leaks at high velocity (they are small and will get dragged into the high velocity jet of the leak.  Essentially reduces the large drops but still releases the small ones. 

Can. I suppose. But let's consider that we're being told to cough into the inside of our elbows. Given your analyses of the uselessness of masks, that would suggest coughing into our elbows or hands even is even more pointless because there'll be leaks. I've now seen a couple of stories on this, one on CTV, one on ABC, both questioning the way western governments are dismissing masks. And several doctors, including the top guy in the US, Anthony Fauci admitted that they are reconsidering, and if they had enough masks they might well be telling people to wear them.

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4 hours ago, Boges said:

It's, quite frankly, hilarious that Trump isn't at all to blame for the dire situation the US is in. And at the same time, Trudeau IS to blame for a crisis that hasn't yet materialized in Canada. 

Partisanship indeed. 

I think they're both idiots. And neither has done very well here. I'd give Trump a D- and Trudeau a D

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10 hours ago, marcus said:

Trudeau and Trump messed up. They moved too slowly. No one can say otherwise. 

However, since then, who has done a better job at handling the situation? Why do you think Canada has had a much better response to the pandemic? It's because of better leadership from the federal, provincial and municipal governments. Trudeau has outperformed Trump, both in action and in words since the initial response.

Where is this 'leadership' you speak of? Like Theresa Tam telling us everything is fine and we'll only get a few 'rare' cases, then sternly telling us how we need to self isolate? Like both levels of government telling us not to travel to our cottages to sit out the virus - after Sophie Gregoire took the kids and left for Harrington Lake? Maybe the government dismissing travel restrictions as less than useless then imposing them a few days later? I see none of this 'leadership' of which you speak.

Indeed, Tam is asking a lot of Canadians to set aside a lot of common sense right now. There is ample evidence that face masks — even homemade ones — can provide significant protection to the uninfected. But Tam warns only of the potential pitfalls: Masks can provide “a false sense of security,” lead to more face-touching or make us forget to wash our hands. “Putting a mask on an asymptomatic person is not beneficial,” she said at her Monday press conference.

That makes sense to a lot of medical professionals. A lot of regular people, however, are pretty sure they know how to wash their hands and not touch their faces. When officials say “masks don’t work,” a lot of regular people hear “we have an inexcusable shortage of masks for frontline healthcare workers so please give us your masks.” When officials say “you don’t need to be tested,” they are likely to hear “we have inexcusably few tests available and not enough lab capacity to process the ones we have.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/chris-selley-official-nonsense-on-masks-and-travel-bans-is-killing-ottawas-coronavirus-credibility/wcm/709519ba-abe5-4cbf-9193-e1956ae4bac2/

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7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I think it is more important for many Canadians to believe that, as there is a much larger expectation that government at all levels must protect them...must save them vs. individual actions and risks.   And based on what I can see in Canadian media, Canadians know who Dr. Anthony Fauci is, along with the CDC.    Americans largely don't know who Dr. Tam is, or what the PHAC does in Canada.   More media focus in one direction, as always.

This is not a popularity contest. Look at the numbers. That's all you need to know.

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3 minutes ago, marcus said:

This is not a popularity contest. Look at the numbers. That's all you need to know.

 

I already said that long ago....this is not a football game.

Canadians will still consume more American media just as they have always done....virus or no virus.

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5 minutes ago, marcus said:

This is not a popularity contest. Look at the numbers. That's all you need to know.

Trudeau just announced that production of ventilators, masks, etc are now underway.  Trump did this several weeks ago.  

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7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Trudeau just announced that production of ventilators, masks, etc are now underway.  Trump did this several weeks ago.  

Neither of them announced much of anything but wishful thinking before last week.

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18 hours ago, taxme said:

It is reported that 700,000 people every year suffer from some kinds of flu around the world and many die from the regular common flu so what makes this one so bad? Can you explain this to me? No one ever panicked this much over the SARS and H1N1 viruses that we had come about several years ago. 

COVID-19 is not the flu.

The major differences between the common flu and COVID-19 are:

- The death rate is 20 times more.

- A larger percentage of those who are infected end up going to the hospital and our healthcare systems (in the West) and the number of beds, ventilators,  and other equipment cannot handle the surge. 

- This virus attacks the lungs and the lung, unlike, for example, the liver, does not recover. This means that the virus creates a strain on our healthcare system not only now but also in the future. 

- COVID-19 sufferer infects between two to three others. That's twice as high as the seasonal flu. Meaning that it's highly contagious and this is why we need to do our part not to allow it to spread.

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8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I think it is more important for many Canadians to believe that, as there is a much larger expectation

Not compared to the importance Canadian right-wing conservatives attach to differences between Trump and Trudeau, this is just straight up left-wing derangement syndrome born of right-wing notions of admit-no-wrong superiority and do-no-wrong exceptionalism. Politics is the biggest thing driving the spread of this virus bar none.

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2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not compared to the importance Canadian right-wing conservatives attach to differences between Trump and Trudeau, this is just straight up left-wing derangement syndrome born of right-wing notions of admit-no-wrong superiority and do-no-wrong exceptionalism. 

 

Different topic....Canadian expectations for "peace, order, and good government" preceded Trump and Trudeau by many generations.

 

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Different topic....Canadian expectations for "peace, order, and good government" preceded Trump and Trudeau by many generations.

That's a different topic alright.

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20 minutes ago, marcus said:

The death rate is 20 times more.

That's not true. It's about 3 times.

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