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1 minute ago, Rue said:

In your opinion.

Yep. Some opinions are more informed than others, and those who say "Trump is the worst ever!" are as uninformed as it gets, such opinions have nothing to do with actual reality.

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Trudeau suggested that Canada was not on the same trajectory as the US because it had acted sooner. But the fact of the matter is – on several issues, Canada trailed behind the US by several days or even weeks.      

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/the-road-to-canadas-covid-19-outbreak-timeline-of-federal-government-failure-at-border-to-slow-the-virus/

When asked if he now regrets not tightening travel screening earlier in the pandemic: Trudeau replied:   “I think there is going to be lots of analysis after the fact about what happened when, what could have happened a few days earlier, what only needed to happen a few days later"    So – no regrets even knowing that Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore started restricting travel and screening inbound passengers in early January as they cared more about their citizens than getting a UN seat. 

Don't you love the CBC's euphemism for ignores and refuses to answer questions:  "in his responses to reporters at these morning briefings, he still sometimes floats above the questions asked"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-media-1.5516383  

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2 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Don't you love the CBC's euphemism for ignores and refuses to answer questions:  "in his responses to reporters at these morning briefings, he still sometimes floats above the questions asked"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-media-1.5516383  

 

That is our fault, and the fault of a supine media who don't challenge politicians who do this. How often do you hear a reporter listen out some long, weaselly answer and then come back with "But you didn't answer the question", and then repeat it. I've seen it done, but only rarely and never against a Liberal minister or PM. The only time the media seems to get their back up and challenge a politician is when the politician is a conservative.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

And again I guess I have higher standards..

That's debatable but obviously a waste of time.

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And that's exactly what I've been concerned with too.

Okay. Shall we fight back to back or come at it from our own directions?

 

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Starting to see more and more articles now about the eficacy of masks, but I don't expect the Trudeau government to change its tune until some outside authority, like the WHO or CDC formally pronounces on it.

The message to Canadians over the last few weeks has been clear: Don’t buy face masks.

Personal protective equipment is in short supply. Priority must go to frontline health workers, our best line of defense against the virus — and the most vulnerable to catching COVID-19. Most people are unlikely to wear a face mask correctly anyway. And masks only protect others, not the wearer.

So why did Dr. Bruce Aylward, one of the leads on a WHO-China Joint Mission on COVID-19, wear a face mask during a recent presser — despite the fact that the WHO says healthy people only need masks if they’re taking care of someone sick?

And why have the governments of Austria, Czech Republic, and Slovakia decreed mandatory mask-wearing for anyone who leaves their house? China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong have also  recommended citizens wear face masks. Germany and South Korea have banned face mask exports to prioritize it for their own populations.

https://ottawacitizen.com/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/not-all-face-masks-are-created-equal-what-you-need-to-know-to-help-prevent-covid-19/wcm/ef26f373-768d-4a89-b1e6-7bb58d3db91d/

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And CNN also pointing out the change appearing in western 'experts'.

In the coming weeks, if they have not already, your government is likely to begin advising you to wear a face mask to protect against coronavirus.

Pivot to protection

Writing last month, Adrien Burch, an expert in microbiology at the University of California, Berkeley, noted that "despite hearing that face masks 'don't work,' you probably haven't seen any strong evidence to support that claim. That's because it doesn't exist."
In fact, there is evidence of the exact opposite: that masks help prevent viral infections like the current pandemic.
Burch pointed to a Cochrane Review -- a systemic analysis of published studies on a given topic -- which found strong evidence during the 2003 SARS epidemic in support of wearing masks. One study of community transmission in Beijing found that "consistently wearing a mask in public was associated with a 70% reduction in the risk of catching SARS."
 
Speaking to CNN, Ivan Hung, an infectious diseases specialist at the Hong Kong University School of Medicine, said that "if you look at the data in Hong Kong, wearing a mask is probably the most important thing in terms of infection control."
"And it not only brings down the cases of coronaviruses, it also brings down the influenza," he said. "In fact, this is now the influenza season, and we hardly see any influenza cases. And that is because the masks actually protected not only against coronaviruses but also against the influenza viruses as well."
 

Asia may have been right about coronavirus and face masks, and the rest of the world is coming around

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15 hours ago, taxme said:

How would you know that this is not just another flu that comes around every year

Because science.

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12 hours ago, eyeball said:

This coming from a guy who was casting about for a point on a crowded subway platform one minute then in the middle of the wilderness the next so lets just leave to speak for itself.

Lol. You think that just because you don't understand things I wrote that I don't know what I'm talking about?

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Who's this we you're talking about? I was social distancing myself by Mar 7th, practicing disinfecting protocols at work by the 8th then laid off Mar 16th. Nobody seemed to be standing around waiting for Trudeau to tell us what to do. 

You think that just because you had to figure things out for yourself, with no positive direction from our PM, that he gets a pass? LMAO, that's idiocy.

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They're at risk of overloading smaller hospitals in the remote areas parks are located not to mention search and rescue teams that may be needed for evacuating anyone from communities with no road access. I guess some jurisdictions just believe and act differently.

What is your connection between remote parks and hospitals all about? Are you theorizing that the majority of people in those areas got covid outside, and that it had nothing to do with all of their kids congregating in just 1 or 2 schools? Yet you're the guy who figured out this social distancing thing?????

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Did it escape your notice that Italy banned travel from China before the US did?  There's no evidence doing so prevented anything but there is lots of advise that said it was the wrong thing to do.

Why is it wrong to ban flights from a place with a deadly viral outbreak eyeball? Aren't you the guy who figured out this social distancing thing all by your lonesome????? Quick question, if you didn't want to get covid and you had to choose, would you socially distance yourself from a group of people that you knew had the covid-19 virus, or a group that most likely didn't? For example, would you great people arriving on flights from China at the airport in February 2020 or would you great people arriving from Russia back in December? This is super-easy eyeball. I just lobbed you a beachball question that even our PM would get right.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Starting to see more and more articles now about the eficacy of masks, but I don't expect the Trudeau government to change its tune until some outside authority, like the WHO or CDC formally pronounces on it.

The message to Canadians over the last few weeks has been clear: Don’t buy face masks.

Personal protective equipment is in short supply. Priority must go to frontline health workers, our best line of defense against the virus — and the most vulnerable to catching COVID-19. Most people are unlikely to wear a face mask correctly anyway. And masks only protect others, not the wearer.

So why did Dr. Bruce Aylward, one of the leads on a WHO-China Joint Mission on COVID-19, wear a face mask during a recent presser — despite the fact that the WHO says healthy people only need masks if they’re taking care of someone sick?

And why have the governments of Austria, Czech Republic, and Slovakia decreed mandatory mask-wearing for anyone who leaves their house? China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong have also  recommended citizens wear face masks. Germany and South Korea have banned face mask exports to prioritize it for their own populations.

https://ottawacitizen.com/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/not-all-face-masks-are-created-equal-what-you-need-to-know-to-help-prevent-covid-19/wcm/ef26f373-768d-4a89-b1e6-7bb58d3db91d/

I'm pretty sure they (Canadian gov.) know they need the masks. The problem is that there is a shortage of them. Hospitals are desperate. 

Hopefully the government has a plan in place to either increase production and/or import them. Since there is a shortage all around the world at the moment, the best option is to manufacture our own. Perhaps this will be a lesson and after some more stumbling, the government will take steps to begin production of needed supplies, like masks and more testing kits, which are the major reasons why the successful countries are able to control the spreading.

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13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Geez it's like you just deliberately ignored where I said this should be far more about governments vs the governed than Dumb vs Dumber.  You're not the only one who does that all the time.

You were bitching about the opposition just attacking the government's covid response. That's the Demonrats in a nutshell - focus on everything else but the virus and then condemn early, common sense approaches at containing the virus as racist (the most partisan attack imaginable).

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No one's was, least of all yours. 

Wrong, as usual. 

I've been talking about coronavirus here for a long time. I was critical of our PM for not blocking flights from China long before March 19th lol.

If I said some crazy things it's 1) I'd rather get the early version of covid which isn't killing healthy people than get it in the fall, or in 5 years when I will have a lower chance of surviving, because I'd like to build up a bit of H1N1 immunity, and 2) I don't think that the outbreak came from some bats in a market - I think it came from the Wuhan BSL4 lab and I don't think it was an accidental release. 

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3 hours ago, scribblet said:

Don't you love the CBC's euphemism for ignores and refuses to answer questions:  "in his responses to reporters at these morning briefings, he still sometimes floats above the questions asked"

LMAO. That's priceless. 

I'm going to apply for a job as CEO of CBC, and when they ask for my qualifications I'll give some answers that "float above the questions asked".

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15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I can't buy the notion that Trudeau thinks it's a scam, because he's hiding in his bed with his blankie.

The fool is more likely watching TV and listening and laughing at all of those other fools out there who are also listening to some federal Asian health officer??? constantly repeat over and over and over again every day that we all must stay indoors, practice social distance, and some other bull chit coming from this lieberal government propaganda mouthpiece. This constant communist brainwashing has gone beyond mental now. This is an attack on all of our freedoms of assembly and our liberties.

Many of those premiers of other provinces are really starting to act like dyktators. How much longer are those lemmings out there going to put up with this crap. It's coming out more and more every day on the internet that this is all just one big scam. In California the governor confined all Californians to stay in their homes. It's starting to fizzle out because there are just some people who cannot and will not continue on with this charade and who are now going out for walks. Source: RightEdition website. The more people listen to the government and the media, the more fear and panic will be heaped on them by those liars. 

Trudeau should just stay at home and stay under is baby blankie. Lol. 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

LMAO. That's priceless. 

I'm going to apply for a job as CEO of CBC, and when they ask for my qualifications I'll give some answers that "float above the questions asked".

Sadly, all politicians do the same thing. They do enjoy looking down on we the people. And as far as what The Rebel has been saying so far people are still flying from China into Canada. If I am not mistaken here, I thought that all air travel was banned from entering Canada? If it were than once again that has failed also. 

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2 hours ago, marcus said:

Because science.

"Because science" my butt. Science changes all the time. Today it is this, and tomorrow it is that. Just because a scientist or a so called expert says that this is so, does not mean that it is so. They have made many mistakes in the past and they will be making many more mistakes in the future. Today, there are just too many lemmings who are listening to Trudeau who we should all know by now that he never tells the truth about anything to we the people. He does though appear to have quite the contempt for we the people. :(

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

LMAO. That's priceless. 

I'm going to apply for a job as CEO of CBC, and when they ask for my qualifications I'll give some answers that "float above the questions asked".

But before doing that do you speak french fluently? No broken french will get you the job either. If not, forget about that idea right now.  Lol. 

Trudeau has failed  Canada and Canadians with everything ever since he became the dyktator of Canada. When was it that he did anything good for Canada or Canadians?  I will give you a month to answer. :lol:

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29 minutes ago, taxme said:

"Because science" my butt. Science changes all the time.

Some information, like how it was formed, the lifespan on surfaces and what kind of treatment may effect it best is an ongoing process.

However, nothing has been changed when it comes to understanding the makeup of this virus. This is easy for scientists to figure out. An educated person just can't call it a flu. This is indisputable. 

Virology

SARS-CoV-2 is closely related to the original SARS-CoV.[61] It is thought to have a zoonotic origin. Genetic analysis has revealed that the coronavirus genetically clusters with the genus Betacoronavirus, in subgenus Sarbecovirus (lineage B) together with two bat-derived strains. It is 96% identical at the whole genome level to other bat coronavirus samples (BatCov RaTG13).[62][63] In February 2020, Chinese researchers found that there is only one amino acid difference in certain parts of the genome sequences between the viruses from pangolins and those from humans, however, whole-genome comparison to date found at most 92% of genetic material shared between pangolin coronavirus and SARS-CoV-2, which is insufficient to prove pangolins to be the intermediate host.[64]

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5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol. You think that just because you don't understand things I wrote that I don't know what I'm talking about?

No that's not it, I understand you just fine.

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You think that just because you had to figure things out for yourself, with no positive direction from our PM, that he gets a pass? LMAO, that's idiocy.

Yes that would be idiotic LMAO too.  Thankfully I was still able to figure things out anyway. 

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What is your connection between remote parks and hospitals all about? Are you theorizing that the majority of people in those areas got covid outside, and that it had nothing to do with all of their kids congregating in just 1 or 2 schools?

You're the connection but I'm theorizing you didn't know what you we're talking about.

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Yet you're the guy who figured out this social distancing thing?????

That's right.

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Why is it wrong to ban flights from a place with a deadly viral outbreak eyeball?

Amongst other things it creates a paradox - a sense of false security where people are fleeing too and panic where people are fleeing from.  Epidemiologists know this and tried to tell governments this before their 'common sense' prevailed but....  And that's why its a paradox it's counter-intuitive. Trump worsened the false sense of security in America by saying he had it all under control, it was just the flu, a Deepstate plot etc etc.

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In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.

WHO

 

 

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Aren't you the guy who figured out this social distancing thing all by your lonesome?????

Why do you need to have this repeated? 

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Quick question, if you didn't want to get covid and you had to choose, would you socially distance yourself from a group of people that you knew had the covid-19 virus, or a group that most likely didn't? For example, would you great people arriving on flights from China at the airport in February 2020 or would you great people arriving from Russia back in December? This is super-easy eyeball. I just lobbed you a beachball question that even our PM would get right.

First thing I'd do is listen to a government that is listening to experts and if it looked like they weren't I'd listen to the experts directly.

Apparently you think it takes a genius to do that.

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5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You were bitching about the opposition just attacking the government's covid response.

Actually I was bitching about Trump blaming the Democrats but then you did the rubber/glue thing so...

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I've been talking about coronavirus here for a long time. I was critical of our PM for not blocking flights from China long before March 19th lol.

More talking than listening apparently.  I started paying pretty close attention when I had relatives who were being evacuated from Singapore in early February.  That's why it's been so easy to see I' d be worse off if I'd listened to you or Trump.  I noticed Trudeau talking now and then in between experts but have been to busy to pay him much attention.

 

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If I said some crazy things it's 1) I'd rather get the early version of covid which isn't killing healthy people than get it in the fall, or in 5 years when I will have a lower chance of surviving, because I'd like to build up a bit of H1N1 immunity, and 2) I don't think that the outbreak came from some bats in a market - I think it came from the Wuhan BSL4 lab and I don't think it was an accidental release.

Yeah well, I'm not surprised you think that. 

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If you can't buy a mask, you can make a mask yourself. And apparently they can be pretty effective.

 

 

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

First thing I'd do is listen to a government that is listening to experts and if it looked like they weren't I'd listen to the experts directly.

Apparently you think it takes a genius to do that.

Who are the experts? The WHO? The ones who told the world to leave flights open when people from Wuhan were fleeing? The last thing I would do is trust Trudeau, or the WHO. 

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6 hours ago, marcus said:

I'm pretty sure they (Canadian gov.) know they need the masks. The problem is that there is a shortage of them. Hospitals are desperate. 

Hopefully the government has a plan in place to either increase production and/or import them. Since there is a shortage all around the world at the moment, the best option is to manufacture our own. Perhaps this will be a lesson and after some more stumbling, the government will take steps to begin production of needed supplies, like masks and more testing kits, which are the major reasons why the successful countries are able to control the spreading.

I've got a question, but I'm pretty sure the government said we had learned valuable lessons from H1N1, and others we have had, they said they had plans in place, plans to deal with another outbreak...., but what did we learn from it, was it to stock pile certain medical items, such as masks , gowns, etc....in warehouses awaiting for another outbreak.....and not just on the federal side of the house , but each province as well, where are these stock piles ? , or have we gone through them already. either way we failed on that side of the house......I get it they are items with shelve lives, but when they expire are you not suppose to replace them, or use them before the expiration date, is that another fail.......another note all the previous virous have come from China have they not, the same place wear most of the worlds supply lines start ….would it not make sense to have a back up market supplier, or a made in Canada solution...I hope someone is taking notes for the after action report on all of this, and maybe some of these issues will have solutions for the next time...I mean the liberals are now talking about a 300 bil deficit here and we are just starting this whole cluster F**** and somehow we can't store a couple million dollars worth of supplies and equipment for a rainy day,  

My last question, are liberals still going to vote liberal in the next election ? or is has this crises been handled well enough for you ?  not been enough for you to change your mind about who to vote in next...  

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Some productive news:

the federal government had finalized deals with two Canadian startups that will provide enough supplies for one million coronavirus tests and the production of 500 ventilator units in the coming months. The government said it has ordered an additional 1,000 ventilators from other manufacturers.

Spartan Bioscience Inc. of Ottawa, which makes portable DNA testing machines that can produce coronavirus tests results in 30 minutes, has inked a $78-million order with Ottawa to provide 100 of the testing machines and one million test kits within the next 12 months. It has also signed a $68-million deal to supply a similar amount of machines and test kits to Ontario. It’s also reached a smaller deal with Alberta and is in advanced talks to supply Quebec.

The company said it will take eight to 12 weeks to build up full capacity to produce the tests. It said it expects to start shipping already-booked orders in April.

The new rapid testing technology being produced by Spartan Bioscience could help fill testing gaps, particularly in more remote and rural areas that don’t have easy access to hospital-based laboratories. Like other COVID-19 diagnostics, Spartan’s is a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test. But other tests are processed through large machines, whereas Spartan’s relies on a small handheld DNA analyzer, which makes it an attractive option for small hospitals, Indigenous communities and other remote centres, said Paul Lem, Spartan Bioscience’s chief executive officer.

Mr. Trudeau said Ottawa had also finalized a contract first announced 11 days ago with AMD Medicom Inc., based in Pointe-Claire, Que., ordering 157 million surgical masks and 60 million N95 protective masks. He said the government is also close to concluding a deal with Medicom to establish its first permanent manufacturing facility in Canada.

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Who are the experts? The WHO? The ones who told the world to leave flights open when people from Wuhan were fleeing?

The one's Trump ignored.

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