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33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

And then...shit happened and the US government has to resort to socialism and ask capitalism to please come rescue it. 

 

I cannot disagree with this ... Socialism from 2008-'16 ... Capitalism showed up to the, rescue, on morning of 09nov2016.

 

btw 

 

the ACT does in fact require the companies to produce whatever the GOVT needs, in order to sustain a national emergency. The law is great ---it literally gives that feel that aura of the days during the USA Founding Fathers. Yes the bare principle, of being a corporate citizen within a country that allowed you to thrive as a business owner ... by which that country now faces an unprecedented crisis and needs to borrow your physical capital, in order to continue being the country which allowed you to get wealthy as a corporate citizen.

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3 hours ago, marcus said:

Look at what you're writing.

You have such a hard-on for Trudeau, that you can't even think straight. Even when he is actually practicing social distancing, you are yelling and screaming and somehow have it in your head that he is not. 

Ya, I have been reading what you have been writing, and all of it makes no sense to me at all. Just more silly fear and pandemic panic talk coming from you. Trudeau loves his isolation. That way he does not have to go out and work anymore which I do not believe that he really knows how to do is work hard for even one day. He is great at yapping about nothing though.  

You certainly do appear as though you have a real hard on for Trump yourself? You can't stop talking about him as if Trump were your President. And just where or when or how are you ever thinking straight? Most of your thinking and talking comes from the talking heads of the crooked liberal leftist non-thinkers and the bought off Canadian media to me. But hey! 

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3 hours ago, marcus said:

Because of how your brain functions, you see any criticism of Trump as words coming from the enemy. Like everything is black and white. You're either with us or against us. It doesn't matter that I have critiqued Trudeau several times about his handling of the situation.

Trump dropped the ball on the virus. Now that it's too late and we're seeing the results, he is finally admitting the enormity of the situation. He is contradicting what you are saying. So if you're not going to take the words of doctors and scientists, maybe you should listen to Trump.

Yes. I have done research. Enough of it to know that hospitals are not able to handle the number of sick people, who have been hit by the coronavirus. 

You think that ALL hospitals, doctors, nurses, media, mayors, premiers, and country leaders are LYING? That they are part of some conspiracy to take over your freedom? 

C'mon.

They are adding the seasonal flu to the list? WHERE do you get this information? How do you come up with these?

No. I am responding to your ridiculous conspiracy theories. 

But why the ph-k do you care what Trump says or does. Trump is not your prime mistake of Canukistan.  You seem to critique Trump a way too much for my liking. 

Your dear comrade leader Trudeau dropped the ball also. Are you trying to even things up here by bringing Trump up into the conversation just to try and make it appear as though your hero Trudeau does look all that bad as Trump? 

Sure you did. What kinds of research did you do? Did you go to too many hospitals and took a look around to see and spoke with all the nurses and patients to find out as to how many people were in there with this Chinese virus?  Somehow, just by your reply tells me that I cannot believe that you did anything at all. Just saying. 

It is not the nurses or the doctors that are making up the numbers of deaths. It is the hospital administrators that are only allowed to give out any figures on how many people may have died from this virus. They could be a part of the conspiracy and are giving to the media false numbers and may be lumping in other flu's or other  deaths with this China virus. Hey, one never knows. I never trust any government officials or politicians anymore. As far as I am concerned, most, if not all, never tell the truth about anything. anyway. They do not know how too. 

Yup, c'mon, eh? 

I get this information from other alternative media outlets that do their homework, and do question more, and do tell and give their facts also. Just like you will believe that what your sources of news are saying about the virus are too you all telling the truth. Now we just have to figure out as to who is really telling the truth. So, for now it's a draw. 

There never are conspiracies for people who never will believe that conspiracies do exist. You may not want to call this virus pandemic a conspiracy but there are many more others out there who do see this pandemic as being one big time conspiracy. Just because you want to live in a make believe world where conspiracies do not exist, does not have to mean that others cannot be allowed to believe in conspiracies. So stop talking ridiculous will you. Believe what the hell you want to believe and so will I. :D

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5 hours ago, marcus said:

Nothing comes close to what we've seen with this highly contagious virus. There is a big difference.

True in other parts, like in China. In Japan, a place I lived in, people wore masks when they were sick. It's a sign of respect towards others and part of why Japan is able to function well as a society.

I agree nothing to this scale, but pandemics are all serious matters,  but what we have been told over and over in the beginning of this issue, was both of them have taught us how to handle the next pandemic, we are prepared this time....but I guess thats what they were telling us, covering up for there mishandling of this crises. one would be stockpiling of vital consumables such as masks, gowns, footwear coverings, etc etc , and then machines like ventilators. The last 2 virous have come from china, and yet nobody put two and two together because china is our main source of manufacturing....nobody seen to find another source of supply.

  

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3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I agree nothing to this scale, but pandemics are all serious matters,  but what we have been told over and over in the beginning of this issue, was both of them have taught us how to handle the next pandemic, we are prepared this time....but I guess thats what they were telling us, covering up for there mishandling of this crises. one would be stockpiling of vital consumables such as masks, gowns, footwear coverings, etc etc , and then machines like ventilators. The last 2 virous have come from china, and yet nobody put two and two together because china is our main source of manufacturing....nobody seen to find another source of supply.

I agree. It's greed. Milking the system for every last cent is the issue. Manufacturers set-up shop in China and other countries with cheap labour, just so they can make more money for the shareholders. We do need to be more self-reliant. But how do you do it? Create a protectionist system where we charge extra taxes on foreign goods coming in? Doesn't that go against the free market? Is there a balance?

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

I agree. It's greed. Milking the system for every last cent is the issue. Manufacturers set-up shop in China and other countries with cheap labour, just so they can make more money for the shareholders. We do need to be more self-reliant. But how do you do it? Create a protectionist system where we charge extra taxes on foreign goods coming in? Doesn't that go against the free market? Is there a balance?

I think the one great lesson that must come out of this is that we must become extremely independent and adaptable — extremely.  Relying on global and even continental supply chains is a problem.  We are experiencing the effects of an overcrowded and strained biosphere.  It’s the sixth extinction, taking place during the anthropocene period.  Climate change has been the main worry of governments, but weather patterns and gradual increases in temperature are just more effects of the impact of the stress humans have put on the planet.  It’s our ability to adapt and reduce our negative impacts that will determine our evolutionary viability.

It’s unwise to be so beholden to foreign powers for our economic survival.  We have to be able to operate successfully on a much smaller scale and at a more local level.

While I think we have to generally go greener, on a national level we need to remember where the power lies and maintain domestic power and supply.  We see the worry over procuring medical supplies, but it also applies to food, defence, and manufacturing.  We need to do for ourselves to maintain the capacity.

While he may be too conservative for some, Conrad Black is mostly right about where Canada needs to go:

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2 hours ago, marcus said:

I agree. It's greed. Milking the system for every last cent is the issue. Manufacturers set-up shop in China and other countries with cheap labour, just so they can make more money for the shareholders. We do need to be more self-reliant. But how do you do it? Create a protectionist system where we charge extra taxes on foreign goods coming in? Doesn't that go against the free market? Is there a balance?

Create a code of governance and tie trade to transparency and human rights. The more secretive and abusive a government is the less we trade with them.

Of course this will be a two way street so...  

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11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Create a code of governance and tie trade to transparency and human rights. The more secretive and abusive a government is the less we trade with them.

Of course this will be a two way street so...  

What is the threshold? Our biggest trade partner would not get a pass if we look at their connections to human rights violations. Heck, we wouldn't get a pass.

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Just now, marcus said:

What is the threshold? Our biggest trade partner would not get a pass if we look at their connections to human rights violations. Heck, we wouldn't get a pass.

Yep.  If you're going to clean up the world you should start with your own nest.  Jesus we're just SO boxed in by so many 8-balls.

One fuck of a wake up call isn't it?

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14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yep.  If you're going to clean up the world you should start with your own nest.  Jesus we're just SO boxed in by so many 8-balls.

One fuck of a wake up call isn't it?

Would the Libs (Dems) or Cons (GOP) move away from the system? Of course not. Do other parties have a chance? It doesn't look that way.

The reality is that human rights violations are on only a small percentage of the population's radar. How many people think about where their product is made when they add it to their Amazon cart?

This whole experience has shocked the system and has made some people to look at the system from a different perspective and perhaps even question it. That's good. However, the push right now is to go back to the way we were. Then we'll be consumed with the same old again. Would it take a bigger shock to change that? Unfortunately, I believe, that's the only way. 

 

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28 minutes ago, marcus said:

Would the Libs (Dems) or Cons (GOP) move away from the system? Of course not. Do other parties have a chance? It doesn't look that way.

The reality is that human rights violations are on only a small percentage of the population's radar. How many people think about where their product is made when they add it to their Amazon cart?

A lot more than used to I bet.

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This whole experience has shocked the system and has made some people to look at the system from a different perspective and perhaps even question it. That's good. However, the push right now is to go back to the way we were. Then we'll be consumed with the same old again. Would it take a bigger shock to change that? Unfortunately, I believe, that's the only way.

This could easily be the shock.  Like a person facing this virus with underlying health issues our socio-economic system is likewise fragile and all the more vulnerable.

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6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s unwise to be so beholden to foreign powers for our economic survival.  We have to be able to operate successfully on a much smaller scale and at a more local level.

I agree with you. 

However, I wonder why you quote Conrad Black, who gave up his Canadian citizenship to wear the wig of a British 'Lord', thumbed his nose at the courts when caught in criminal behaviour, whined to come home when he got out of jail in Florida, and contributed $50k to the mayoral campaign of a white supremacist. 

I'm sure there are more credible sources of support.  Lol 

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10 hours ago, marcus said:

I agree. It's greed. Milking the system for every last cent is the issue. Manufacturers set-up shop in China and other countries with cheap labour, just so they can make more money for the shareholders. We do need to be more self-reliant. But how do you do it? Create a protectionist system where we charge extra taxes on foreign goods coming in? Doesn't that go against the free market? Is there a balance?

It was not a matter of making more money because of the cheap labour in China, it was a matter for most of staying in business.   THAT falls straight into the hands of consumers.  We the Great Unwashed wanted all of the cheap shit coming into Wallyworld for less than a half or quarter of what those few foolhardy Canadian companies were producing to compete - and with our disfunctional business investment climate and priveleged, wildly expensive labour we simply can not compete.

The solution was very simple - and this spreads across several governments and every party in North America:  if you couldn't reach some sort of quality, public safety and employee human rights standard, you (i.e. China and much of SE Asia) could not import to our countries.   Instead, we the consumer rapidly turned on our nationalistic heals and globalized like a typical trailer park family and gobbled up the poorest quality in exchange for the greatest quantity - and millions of Canadian jobs in tens of thousands of businesses.

And, on top of it all:  our enthusiasm to immitate the failing experiment in Casino Capitalism from the United States, we now have businesses owned by finance and run by snot-nosed Bschool brats who haven't got a clue or any experience on what actual BUSINESS is, only to make the kind of quarterly results that they need to advance their career and satisfy their Wall Street and Bay Street bosses.   You get this by pissing on your more expensive, higher quality and fully accountable supply chain in country and competing with WalMart for the cheapest, shoddiest supplies (including medical supplies, to stay with this thread).

With any luck (unlikely), we could come out of the economic side of the Wuhan Virus with a far better understanding of what we NEED to be as a country and economy with our own national interests at the center.

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2 hours ago, jacee said:

I agree with you. 

However, I wonder why you quote Conrad Black, who gave up his Canadian citizenship to wear the wig of a British 'Lord', thumbed his nose at the courts when caught in criminal behaviour, whined to come home when he got out of jail in Florida, and contributed $50k to the mayoral campaign of a white supremacist. 

I'm sure there are more credible sources of support.  Lol 

I don’t know anything about so called “white supremacist” leanings.  I find such attributions are made far too easily and are dangerously slanderous.  Don’t make such accusations so lightly without damn good reasons.  We’ve talked about this, the shrill overreactions that can destroy reputations and people.

I don’t agree with Black’s politics on everything, but he’s exceptionally bright and knows Canada’s history.  He probably isn’t “green” or left enough for current mainstream Canada, but he isn’t naive to what really counts in geopolitics.

That’s my point.  While I can understand Trudeau’s appeal to some as a more honest and science-based politician than some, his naïveté is very dangerous.   We see similar foolishness in the uninformed protesters of industry, people who don’t understand how food gets to our table or the value of money. They live on the level of purely selfish desire no less than the most exploitative rich.

There are certain essentials you need to run a truly independent jurisdiction.  They’re called the commanding heights: energy, steel, trains, food supply (agriculture, livestock, fisheries), manufacturing (appliances, transportation infrastructure, building supplies, biomedical equipment), defence (especially the high tech precision, rapid deployment kind), and strong democratic institutions with rule of law.  We could say much more and detail what each of these essential areas looks like.

Green policies would be touted by some as of critical importance to how we operate all of the above, but we can’t have our own truly green policies when we’re in a global marketplace competing with countries that refuse to bear the costs of climate action, let alone high labour standards and wages.  A system is only as strong as its weakest link.

This pandemic is a little too perfect.  The only way we know of to get rid of it is to stay home.  Yet transmission is endless through our global network.  We need to be able to detach from that network when it suits us, instantaneously.   We also need to find ways of protecting ourselves and each other that allow us to participate in community activities and workplaces.

Having everyone stay home is too costly for psychological and economic reasons, and it could eventually take far more lives than the virus as suicides and non-viral illnesses mount. The lockdowns must have a defined timeline with some flexibility related to our diagnosis of cases and there must be a plan for return to work.

Let’s pause for a moment to consider what’s happened: the end of new sexual partnering and physical touch, the end of social gatherings (workplace, markets, sports activities, playgrounds, schools, restaurants, etc.).  Through fear we have bought into the necessity to maintain these conditions for an extended period.   While we need to get the numbers of new cases well down, there has to eventually be a happy medium that allows for return to normalcy. What would it look like, for example, to return to work with fewer hours and smaller groups? Could we have anyone who must work in close contact with others, such as professional athletes, return to work after passing a C-19 test?  We can’t accept permanent shutdown.

It’s hard not to wonder if this was planned, because we have bought into this mass shutdown.  People really are dying.  I don’t see any point in dwelling on that possibility, but wherever this came from, we must never let ourselves become so susceptible to outside threats again, not in trade, defence, food supply, medical supplies, and even political ideas.  We can’t have our own policies without true self-sustainability.  We see the totalitarianism of China and the radical self-interest of the Trump regime (stopping the export of 3M N95 masks and diverting deliveries of equipment destined for other countries to the US, as happened to Germany).   We have to be careful and shouldn’t assume we can rely on other countries or regions.  It’s not every man for himself and we are stronger together, but be prepared to go it alone with your family or selected community.

Canada is doing relatively well in this crisis, but we need to strengthen our protections and we’re not out of the woods yet, far from it.  

 

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17 hours ago, Tdot said:

IMHO it's because Canada is just like the USA;  Liberal Dems own the country's major-media outlets 

You didn’t have to bold it and increase the font size lol. It’s a well-established fact that CNN, MSNBC, WashPo, NYT etc are all firmly in the Dem camp and CBC and CTV are firmly under the control of the Liberal party. It’s not up for debate. 
 

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29 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t.....

 

......far from it.  

 

That’s one of the best posts I ever read here. I might just copy and paste it, pretend it’s my own on a different site lol. 

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That’s one of the best posts I ever read here. I might just copy and paste it, pretend it’s my own on a different site lol. 

Just make sure you cite my name, as it’s automatically copyright protected.  Lol.  

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57 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You didn’t have to bold it and increase the font size lol. It’s a well-established fact that CNN, MSNBC, WashPo, NYT etc are all firmly in the Dem camp and CBC and CTV are firmly under the control of the Liberal party. It’s not up for debate. 
 

Breaking news: Dogs have four legs 

You didn't have to respond if you didn't like the font I used lol. It's a well-established fact that I can use the posting features to emphasize whatever points I like, right? And if we all know that CBC CTV CNN WaPo etc, are all liberal media outlets, then what need was there to even bring up that point which I replied to?

 

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1 hour ago, Tdot said:

You didn't have to respond if you didn't like the font I used lol. It's a well-established fact that I can use the posting features to emphasize whatever points I like, right? And if we all know that CBC CTV CNN WaPo etc, are all liberal media outlets, then what need was there to even bring up that point which I replied to?

 

Breaking news: Four legs are what dogs have

 

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t know anything about so called “white supremacist” leanings.  I find such attributions are made far too easily and are dangerously slanderous.  Don’t make such accusations so lightly without damn good reasons.  We’ve talked about this, the shrill overreactions that can destroy reputations and people.

I don’t agree with Black’s politics on everything, but he’s exceptionally bright and knows Canada’s history.  He probably isn’t “green” or left enough for current mainstream Canada, but he isn’t naive to what really counts in geopolitics.

That’s my point.  While I can understand Trudeau’s appeal to some as a more honest and science-based politician than some, his naïveté is very dangerous.   We see similar foolishness in the uninformed protesters of industry, people who don’t understand how food gets to our table or the value of money. They live on the level of purely selfish desire no less than the most exploitative rich.

There are certain essentials you need to run a truly independent jurisdiction.  They’re called the commanding heights: energy, steel, trains, food supply (agriculture, livestock, fisheries), manufacturing (appliances, transportation infrastructure, building supplies, biomedical equipment), defence (especially the high tech precision, rapid deployment kind), and strong democratic institutions with rule of law.  We could say much more and detail what each of these essential areas looks like.

Green policies would be touted by some as of critical importance to how we operate all of the above, but we can’t have our own truly green policies when we’re in a global marketplace competing with countries that refuse to bear the costs of climate action, let alone high labour standards and wages.  A system is only as strong as its weakest link.

This pandemic is a little too perfect.  The only way we know of to get rid of it is to stay home.  Yet transmission is endless through our global network.  We need to be able to detach from that network when it suits us, instantaneously.   We also need to find ways of protecting ourselves and each other that allow us to participate in community activities and workplaces.

Having everyone stay home is too costly for psychological and economic reasons, and it could eventually take far more lives than the virus as suicides and non-viral illnesses mount. The lockdowns must have a defined timeline with some flexibility related to our diagnosis of cases and there must be a plan for return to work.

Let’s pause for a moment to consider what’s happened: the end of new sexual partnering and physical touch, the end of social gatherings (workplace, markets, sports activities, playgrounds, schools, restaurants, etc.).  Through fear we have bought into the necessity to maintain these conditions for an extended period.   While we need to get the numbers of new cases well down, there has to eventually be a happy medium that allows for return to normalcy. What would it look like, for example, to return to work with fewer hours and smaller groups? Could we have anyone who must work in close contact with others, such as professional athletes, return to work after passing a C-19 test?  We can’t accept permanent shutdown.

It’s hard not to wonder if this was planned, because we have bought into this mass shutdown.  People really are dying.  I don’t see any point in dwelling on that possibility, but wherever this came from, we must never let ourselves become so susceptible to outside threats again, not in trade, defence, food supply, medical supplies, and even political ideas.  We can’t have our own policies without true self-sustainability.  We see the totalitarianism of China and the radical self-interest of the Trump regime (stopping the export of 3M N95 masks and diverting deliveries of equipment destined for other countries to the US, as happened to Germany).   We have to be careful and shouldn’t assume we can rely on other countries or regions.  It’s not every man for himself and we are stronger together, but be prepared to go it alone with your family or selected community.

Canada is doing relatively well in this crisis, but we need to strengthen our protections and we’re not out of the woods yet, far from it.  

 

You and Cauck have done an excellent job summarizing. Add my name to your club. Just do not make me sing kumbaya or run around a fire naked. I will only do that for Betsy.

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47 minutes ago, Rue said:

 

You and Cauck have done an excellent job summarizing. Add my name to your club. Just do not make me sing kumbaya or run around a fire naked. I will only do that for Betsy.

Hmm, singing Kumbaya whilst running around a fire naked might be an appropriate initiation ritual.  I smell a Tik Tok video.  

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18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I agree nothing to this scale, but pandemics are all serious matters,  but what we have been told over and over in the beginning of this issue, was both of them have taught us how to handle the next pandemic, we are prepared this time....but I guess thats what they were telling us, covering up for there mishandling of this crises. one would be stockpiling of vital consumables such as masks, gowns, footwear coverings, etc etc , and then machines like ventilators. The last 2 virous have come from china, and yet nobody put two and two together because china is our main source of manufacturing....nobody seen to find another source of supply.

  

Well, I have finally decided to go along with what our dear leaders want me to do. I am now going to practice social distancing by staying away from those silly stupid virus believing fools. I think that will work well for me. Lol. 

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15 hours ago, marcus said:

I agree. It's greed. Milking the system for every last cent is the issue. Manufacturers set-up shop in China and other countries with cheap labour, just so they can make more money for the shareholders. We do need to be more self-reliant. But how do you do it? Create a protectionist system where we charge extra taxes on foreign goods coming in? Doesn't that go against the free market? Is there a balance?

Why are Canadians dealing with a communist country like China anyway? Have Canadians forgotten as to what communism is all about? There have been hundreds of millions of people that have and still do live in a communist country that are being sent to the gulag for daring to challenge and question the communist government. And why do Canadians purposely try to avoid the question of the hundreds of millions of people that were murdered by the communists in the past dozen decades? Canadians should not be dealing with murderers. 

Are you a communist, Marcus? Just asking. 

What Canadians are seeing today is what is happening in communist countries today. Those people have no right to freedom of speech. In Canada , Canadians have lost a few of their rights to their freedom of speech. They are now losing their right to assembly. They are being told and even forced to not be able to assemble or get together in groups of more than two maybe three at most. Before this global pandemic exercise began Canadians could get together by the thousands and now more than three people together is now considered a crime and they can now be heavily fined or jailed of all things. What the hell is this and why are so many Canadians acting like a bunch of dumb ass zombies and listening to their politicians and the media whom we all should know by now do enjoy spreading the bull.

This global pandemic is an exercise to see how gullible the people can be conned into believing that they must surrender and obey the commands of their dear "I just got a raise" politicians and senators when there are people being laid off and could lose their homes and cars and even their life because as long as this goes on there will be a lot of suicides that will take place if this exercise pandemic is not halted. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians are now applying for unemployment and welfare while their dear "I just got a raise" politicians and senators get to stay at home and get to see in their next paycheck just how much more money will I be getting. 

You are being set up and you seem to be quite happy about it all. This is if anything just your average seasonal flu that comes around every year. But if you are going to allow yourselves to be treated like a bunch of dumb ass zombies well then you deserve it. The only sad thing about it is that I have to suffer because of those dumb ass zombies who cannot see the scam of it all.  The scam is now all over the internet. All you have to do is punch in COVID19 hoax and get the other side of the story. You know the other side of the story that people like you are afraid to go read. It's your call. Keep acting like a paranoid bunch of fools or go get the other side of the story. I am pretty sure Emperor Trudeau knows it is all just a scam. Well? ;)

 

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6 hours ago, jacee said:

I agree with you. 

However, I wonder why you quote Conrad Black, who gave up his Canadian citizenship to wear the wig of a British 'Lord', thumbed his nose at the courts when caught in criminal behaviour, whined to come home when he got out of jail in Florida, and contributed $50k to the mayoral campaign of a white supremacist. 

I'm sure there are more credible sources of support.  Lol 

Nazi's and white supremacists are everywhere. LOL. Are you also suffering from NDS(Nazi Derangement Syndrome)like someone else here who truly does suffer from it also. All these people like Black and so many others could careless about Canada or you or me. It's always and only about themselves and the money and how much power and glory can they get from it all. So, just who was that mayoral "white supremacist" that you are talking about? Come on. spill the beans, mate? Or is just one of those white supremacist tantrum moments that you are having once again that there are white supremacists everywhere?  ;)

 

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4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

We see similar foolishness in the uninformed protesters of industry, people who don’t understand how food gets to our table or the value of money...

 

I understand perfectly well how food gets from my boat to your table but more importantly I understand where that food comes from before it gets to my boat.

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...the commanding heights...

Sounds like a nice lofty pedestal from which to wax eloquently to the naive :lol:

I wonder if the authors of The Commanding Heights who wrote their book in 1998 ever read or heard of the land ethic Aldo Leopold wrote about in his Sand County Almanac written in 1949?  Perhaps they did but just didn't care. It's telling that amongst the 14 chapter titles in The Commanding Heights there is not a single word or hint of recognition of the natural capital of the world far beneath them.  So far up in the clouds they obscure the reality below I guess.

Anyone else remember that old Star Trek episode the Cloud Minders?

Star Trek Re-Watch: “The Cloud Minders”

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1 hour ago, taxme said:

Why are Canadians dealing with a communist country like China anyway? Have Canadians forgotten as to what communism is all about? There have been hundreds of millions of people that have and still do live in a communist country that are being sent to the gulag for daring to challenge and question the communist government. And why do Canadians purposely try to avoid the question of the hundreds of millions of people that were murdered by the communists in the past dozen decades? Canadians should not be dealing with murderers. 

Are you a communist, Marcus? Just asking. 

What Canadians are seeing today is what is happening in communist countries today. Those people have no right to freedom of speech. In Canada , Canadians have lost a few of their rights to their freedom of speech. They are now losing their right to assembly. They are being told and even forced to not be able to assemble or get together in groups of more than two maybe three at most. Before this global pandemic exercise began Canadians could get together by the thousands and now more than three people together is now considered a crime and they can now be heavily fined or jailed of all things. What the hell is this and why are so many Canadians acting like a bunch of dumb ass zombies and listening to their politicians and the media whom we all should know by now do enjoy spreading the bull.

This global pandemic is an exercise to see how gullible the people can be conned into believing that they must surrender and obey the commands of their dear "I just got a raise" politicians and senators when there are people being laid off and could lose their homes and cars and even their life because as long as this goes on there will be a lot of suicides that will take place if this exercise pandemic is not halted. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians are now applying for unemployment and welfare while their dear "I just got a raise" politicians and senators get to stay at home and get to see in their next paycheck just how much more money will I be getting. 

You are being set up and you seem to be quite happy about it all. This is if anything just your average seasonal flu that comes around every year. But if you are going to allow yourselves to be treated like a bunch of dumb ass zombies well then you deserve it. The only sad thing about it is that I have to suffer because of those dumb ass zombies who cannot see the scam of it all.  The scam is now all over the internet. All you have to do is punch in COVID19 hoax and get the other side of the story. You know the other side of the story that people like you are afraid to go read. It's your call. Keep acting like a paranoid bunch of fools or go get the other side of the story. I am pretty sure Emperor Trudeau knows it is all just a scam. Well? ;)

 

Genius it is spelled Marcus not Marxist.  Good idea for you to contain yourself. 

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