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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Name these cuts. How much? The Tories are in the process of adding 15,000 long-term care beds, the first significant increase in twenty years. The Liberals, while in power for 12 years, added pretty much none, nor did they increase hospital beds.

Would they have done so without the Covid pandemic?  

Precious to this, one might have thought Ford considers health care an unnecessary expense:

"Doug Ford announced that he will delay public health cuts by one year, but severe cuts amounting to almost one-third of provincial funding for public health are still planned to go forward next year if we don’t stop them. These cuts threaten vital local services including food and water safety, infectious disease tracking and prevention, immunizations, prenatal training and safety, overdose prevention, safe needle and biohazard programs and many others."

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

Name these cuts. How much? The Tories are in the process of adding 15,000 long-term care beds, the first significant increase in twenty years. The Liberals, while in power for 12 years, added pretty much none, nor did they increase hospital beds.

July 2019: 

https://www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca/index.php/releaseford-government-cuts-to-long-term-care-funding-risks-already-over-stressed-care-levels/

The funding cuts seriously threaten care levels in long-term care homes which are already too low to meet the needs of residents 

Long term care is a mess, not a place anyone wants their parents to be, and that's become blatantly obvious with the virus now rampant among residents and staff. Adding more underfunded beds is just more chaos. Ford supporters can't continue to blame the Liberals if Ford is still making the situation worse instead of trying to correct it. 

So what has Doug Ford actually done about that? Has he directed more funds to Long Term Care during this emergency? The feds are rolling out billions across the board. Ford has done NOTHING! 

And people are dying because of it. 

While Ford does a photo op ... carrying a box of masks.  : - / 

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1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well life sentencing for pot is stupid as are slaps on the wrists for serious crimes.

Yes and when you compare the numbers between the former and the latter on a scale between stupid and what you said above the truth of the matter doesn't appear to be anywhere near the middle.

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9 hours ago, jacee said:

July 2019: 

https://www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca/index.php/releaseford-government-cuts-to-long-term-care-funding-risks-already-over-stressed-care-levels/

The funding cuts seriously threaten care levels in long-term care homes which are already too low to meet the needs of residents 

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Sorry, but I don't buy a news release from a far left union group. Here is a counter. As the article notes, the system has been deteriorating for years - with apparently no interest from the Liberals to do anything about it. The Tories are restructuring the system and adding 15,000 new beds.

One of the best-known problems in Ontario health care is the desperate shortage of long-term care beds and the effect that has on the province’s hospitals. The numbers tell a frustrating story. In 2018, Ontario had 78,664 long-term care beds and a waiting list of nearly 35,000 people. The reason is easy to discern. Between 2011 and 2018, the number of Ontarians aged 75 increased by 20 per cent but the number of long-term care beds has gone up only 0.8 per cent, according to a new analysis from the province’s Financial Accountability Office (FAO).

The previous Liberal governments chose to ignore the entirely predictable demand an aging population would place on long-term care, a necessary service for elderly people with dementia and other serious health problems. Instead of acting, the government chose to pretend that improved home care could fill the gap. Apparently not.

Now, the Ford government is going after the lack of long-term care with a relatively robust plan to build 15,000 beds over five years. That’s a big expansion in a short period of time, but it’s still well short of what would be required for a cost-effective and well-functioning long-term care sector.

 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ontario-long-term-care-beds

 

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I don't think problems with Long-Term Care homes are isolated to Ontario. 

See what just happened in Montreal? 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

I don't think problems with Long-Term Care homes are isolated to Ontario. 

See what just happened in Montreal? 

Quebec has been greatly underfunding its health care for a very long time. One of our problems in Ottawa is all the Quebecers who come across the border for treatment because their own hospitals can require 24hr waits, and even a family doctors appointment can take months.

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10 hours ago, jacee said:

July 2019: 

https://www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca/index.php/releaseford-government-cuts-to-long-term-care-funding-risks-already-over-stressed-care-levels/

The funding cuts seriously threaten care levels in long-term care homes which are already too low to meet the needs of residents 

Long term care is a mess, not a place anyone wants their parents to be, and that's become blatantly obvious with the virus now rampant among residents and staff. Adding more underfunded beds is just more chaos. Ford supporters can't continue to blame the Liberals if Ford is still making the situation worse instead of trying to correct it. 

So what has Doug Ford actually done about that? Has he directed more funds to Long Term Care during this emergency? The feds are rolling out billions across the board. Ford has done NOTHING! 

And people are dying because of it. 

While Ford does a photo op ... carrying a box of masks.  : - / 

Perhaps if the Liberals weren’t so fiscally irresponsible over the last 15 years, there’d be more funding for these types of things.  The Liberals have so grossly mismanaged things that Ontario is now the most indebted non country in the WORLD.  Ontario spends tens of billions of dollars each year on JUST PAYING INTEREST ON ITS DEBT.  That’s money that could be used for health care and other things.  And now Doug Ford is tasked with cleaning up YOUR POLICY MESS.  And you have the gull to complain?  Get the eff out of here.  You people caused this!!!

With twice the debt of California, Ontario is now the world’s most indebted sub-sovereign borrower

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/with-twice-the-debt-of-california-ontario-is-now-the-worlds-most-indebted-sub-sovereign-borrower

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On 4/13/2020 at 1:37 AM, jacee said:

July 2019: 

https://www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca/index.php/releaseford-government-cuts-to-long-term-care-funding-risks-already-over-stressed-care-levels/

The funding cuts seriously threaten care levels in long-term care homes which are already too low to meet the needs of residents 

Long term care is a mess, not a place anyone wants their parents to be, and that's become blatantly obvious with the virus now rampant among residents and staff. Adding more underfunded beds is just more chaos. Ford supporters can't continue to blame the Liberals if Ford is still making the situation worse instead of trying to correct it. 

So what has Doug Ford actually done about that? Has he directed more funds to Long Term Care during this emergency? The feds are rolling out billions across the board. Ford has done NOTHING! 

And people are dying because of it. 

While Ford does a photo op ... carrying a box of masks.  : - / 

Ford is doing a great job. Thank god we have him. If the liberals were still running the province we would be royally screwed. First they would formed a boondoggle and most of the money would have been funneled to liberal friends. I am so tired of the stupidity and downright greed of left wing people in this country. It has to end. We need to become a hard working and proud nation again ,instead of a nation of whiners, constantly looking for handouts.

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On 4/12/2020 at 10:08 PM, dialamah said:

Would they have done so without the Covid pandemic?  

Precious to this, one might have thought Ford considers health care an unnecessary expense:

"Doug Ford announced that he will delay public health cuts by one year, but severe cuts amounting to almost one-third of provincial funding for public health are still planned to go forward next year if we don’t stop them. These cuts threaten vital local services including food and water safety, infectious disease tracking and prevention, immunizations, prenatal training and safety, overdose prevention, safe needle and biohazard programs and many others."

Yes he would have. 

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On 4/12/2020 at 10:08 PM, dialamah said:

Would they have done so without the Covid pandemic?  

Precious to this, one might have thought Ford considers health care an unnecessary expense:

"Doug Ford announced that he will delay public health cuts by one year, but severe cuts amounting to almost one-third of provincial funding for public health are still planned to go forward next year if we don’t stop them. These cuts threaten vital local services including food and water safety, infectious disease tracking and prevention, immunizations, prenatal training and safety, overdose prevention, safe needle and biohazard programs and many others."

Interesting ...

 In the leaked documents from the Ontario civil service in February, plans were revealed to privatize eHealth, laboratories, air ambulance, long-term care inspections and other services

And this news today:

 

 

Ford's wife's mother is in a longterm care facility where there are cases of COVID19. 

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His "outline" on how to re-open wasn't terribly optimistic. 2-4 weeks of numbers under 200 new cases before we can start this? 

Just like with Quebec. A vast majority of those dying are in LTC homes. Not that it's not tragic, but people getting infect there don't pose as great a risk to the general public. 

Quebec who's getting twice as many cases as Ontario is considering re-opening. 

I give this two weeks to see if the Guinea Pig states in the US don't turn into shit show grave yards before moving forward. 

It's good news that the numbers of new cases have remained steady (if not dropping slightly) even though testing has exponentially ramped up. 

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

His "outline" on how to re-open wasn't terribly optimistic. 

Of course you know there are people far smarter than Doug, or even you and I working on this.  The #1 thing in his favour is that Russian bots don't target him.  So let's let him wait & see.

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On 3/23/2020 at 8:38 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. Unity.  It means we should adjust for the times

Unity ? The far right is busy blaming George Soros and the big bad globalists and the far left can't wait for the economy to crash so they can offer people: S O C I A L I S M. 

It is so funny in the area that I live there are big posters: DON'T PAY YOUR RENT and at the bottom were instructions on how to apply for that 2,000$ a month pay. So wait, if people are getting 2,000$ a month from the government what is stopping them to negotiate with the landlord or pay their rent ? 

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1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

Unity ? The far right is busy blaming George Soros and the big bad globalists and the far left can't wait for the economy to crash so they can offer people: S O C I A L I S M. 

It is so funny in the area that I live there are big posters: DON'T PAY YOUR RENT and at the bottom were instructions on how to apply for that 2,000$ a month pay. So wait, if people are getting 2,000$ a month from the government what is stopping them to negotiate with the landlord or pay their rent ? 

Nothing. What's wrong with renters organizing, developing some clout and negotiating with that clout? 

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1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

1. The far right is busy blaming George Soros and the big bad globalists and the far left can't wait for the economy to crash so they can offer people: S O C I A L I S M. 

2. It is so funny in the area that I live there are big posters: DON'T PAY YOUR RENT and at the bottom were instructions on how to apply for that 2,000$ a month pay. So wait, if people are getting 2,000$ a month from the government what is stopping them to negotiate with the landlord or pay their rent ? 

1. So, be better.
2. There's nothing stopping anyone from negotiating, ever.

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21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So, be better.

Any rational person can understand your number 1 point however the way politics is heading I am afraid more people in fear and pride will jump to the both extremes and be comfortable there in their safe space.

It is a great show to watch, people thinking they are always correct, before it was "let's debate" now is: "you are evil, I am good". 

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1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

1. Any rational person can understand your number 1 point however the way politics is heading I am afraid more people in fear and pride will jump to the both extremes and be comfortable there in their safe space.

2. It is a great show to watch, people thinking they are always correct, before it was "let's debate" now is: "you are evil, I am good". 

1. Don't be afraid then, go with the flow.
2. At some point, they will turn against the wealthy and powerful.  Rabble rousing goes that way.

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18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. At some point, they will turn against the wealthy and powerful.  Rabble rousing goes that way.

Rabble rousing is a factor but also capitalism needs to stay on course so it does not give fuel to these radicals. In communism only a few people stay on top and the rest are given a bit.

If today I decide to start my own social media company, can I compete with Facebook ? Twitter ? They will crush me. It looks to me we are heading towards the same model, a few people on top and the rest are given a bit.  What about AIG Insurance getting the biggest welfare cheque in American History ? Oh sorry, I forgot, they are too big to fail, here comes socialism to the rescue.

These are important questions a capitalist like myself reflects because without self reflection there can't be any improvement and without improvement and correction you have the agitators of society in the streets with Karl Marx's picture.

 

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38 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:

1. In communism only a few people stay on top and the rest are giving a bit.

2. If today I decide to start my own social media company, can I compete with Facebook ? Twitter ? They will crush me. 

1. We are a long way from there.

2. And yet there is something that you never heard of that will be worth billions in ten years.

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10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. We are a long way from there.

2. And yet there is something that you never heard of that will be worth billions in ten years.

I voted for Doug Ford thinking he was going to be a fiscal conservative. Now he seems perfectly ok to put us into massive amounts of debt, and destory out economy. Who would of thought Doug Ford would turn out to be such a socialist?

I guess i'm voting third party next time.

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1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

I voted for Doug Ford thinking he was going to be a fiscal conservative. Now he seems perfectly ok to put us into massive amounts of debt, and destory out economy. Who would of thought Doug Ford would turn out to be such a socialist?

Maybe you weren't of voting age when Stephen Harper followed Obama's lead and hiked the deficit in 2008.

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28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe you weren't of voting age when Stephen Harper followed Obama's lead and hiked the deficit in 2008.

Well I voted for the PCC, because the conservatives are to weak. He was just following keynesians economics. 10 billion deficit, is nothing compared to the harm Trudeau is causing right now. Trudeau is all out on a vote buying orgy... and nothing can stop him.

I just heard Canada is going to rack up 10 years of debt, to pay for this stupid Chinese virus.

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8 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Well I voted for the PCC, because the conservatives are to weak. He was just following keynesians economics. 10 billion deficit, is nothing compared to the harm Trudeau is causing right now. Trudeau is all out on a vote buying orgy... and nothing can stop him.

I just heard Canada is going to rack up 10 years of debt, to pay for this stupid Chinese virus.

So I guess you're not a proud Conservative!:lol:. Did you mean the PPC?  Never heard of this PCC.

Yes, you belong with that 2% if Canadians who want to kill immigration, pull out of trade deals, and think climate change is not man made.

What I love about my Canadian Conservative identity is the pragmatism.  Doug Ford is reminding us of this tradition.

Bernier is about the most delusional politician I can think of.  After posting Rhinoceros Party like numbers, he announced that the party is here to stay...

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