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13 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Not my Liberals. I was an activist member of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada for 35 years. I worked on the campaigns of Erik Nielsen, Allan MacKinnon, Scott Wallace, and both leadership campaigns of Joe Clark. My party was destroyed when Peter MacKay stabbed us in the back. Since then I have been an independent. Had Rona Ambrose entered the race, I would be working 24 - 7 for her. My other choice would have been Lisa Raitt. Alas, the choice for leader is pitiful. But don't call me a liberal.

Now you know why I supported David Crombie. I am purple. Blue with Red. Must agree with you and the Cowboy Wes...but my heart can bleed...most of us Canadians want middle ground fairness..a little to the right on fiscal..a little to the  left on social...a spinal cord with the military..

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Now you know why I supported David Crombie. I am purple. Blue with Red. Must agree with you and the Cowboy Wes...but my heart can bleed...most of us Canadians want middle ground fairness..a little to

Then welcome to the minority, all the parties jump on this band wagon, until they have been in office for a few weeks then find out our military is nothing more than a hollow shell that has been bleed

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On 4/9/2020 at 8:11 PM, Michael Hardner said:

  Low fertility rates come from women choosing birth control, and that isn't mentioned.  Reducing refugees will not reduce CO2.

negative (low) + negative (reducing) = a negative (less)

 

Your arithmetic eludes me on this, how can a low fertility coupled with less people coming into the country mean more CO2?

 

I honestly can't tell if you are 'real' or posting what you post to initiate thinking, not because you believe your positions.

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38 minutes ago, pinky tuscadero said:

1. Your arithmetic eludes me on this, how can a low fertility coupled with less people coming into the country mean more CO2?

 

2. I honestly can't tell if you are 'real' or posting what you post to initiate thinking, not because you believe your positions.

1. CO2 is reduced when Canada reduces CO2 production.  Individual population programs may have some effect but refugees are an immeasurably small portion.

2. Well I was analyzing a political party's platforms.

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5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If there is hope, Winston wrote, it lies in the Red Tories.  Do they still exist ?  Are they willing to show themselves and ignore the frothing conservative fringe that demands UN withdrawal, ending refugee programs and ignoring climate change ?  

An environmentally conscious conservative who acts in a way that underscores their understanding of what the word conserve means would get my vote.

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29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

An environmentally conscious conservative who acts in a way that underscores their understanding of what the word conserve means would get my vote.

Even Thatcher warned about climate change.

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2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Even Thatcher warned about climate change.

She also mocked it in her autobiography.

 “The doomsters’ favourite subject today is climate change,” she wrote. “Clearly no plan to alter climate could be considered on anything but a global scale, it provides a marvellous excuse for worldwide, supra-national socialism.”

I bet she even put in an LOL in the actual book.

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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. CO2 is reduced when Canada reduces CO2 production.  Individual population programs may have some effect but refugees are an immeasurably small portion.

2. Well I was analyzing a political party's platforms.

Thanks, I was not trying to be rude and I am glad you did not take it that way.

 

It was a general statement about your motivations for what you sometimes post (trying to keep people sharp).

Nothing wrong with encouraging a thoughtful defense of a person's ideas, and I thought this may be a factor when you decide to put fingers to keys.

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

An environmentally conscious conservative who acts in a way that underscores their understanding of what the word conserve means would get my vote.

Please allow me to introduce myself,
I'm a man of wealth, and taste.

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11 hours ago, Rue said:

Now you know why I supported David Crombie

He was one of my favourite politicians. Toronto's tiny perfect Mayor. Had I not been working for Clark, Crombie would have been my choice as well.

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6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Start acting like it then.

 

On 4/12/2020 at 10:10 AM, OftenWrong said:

Moving forward in an an ever-greedier world, it would completely consume our resources. I want a government that commits to being a vanguard of Canada's Boreal forests, and fresh water.

No doubt that one addles your pate.

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With massive debt ahead of us, a stalled economy, unknown status of the virus, Is climate change going to be a factor in all this Can we even afford an moderate climate change program such as doubling taxes as the liberals want. Or have we moved climate change to the back ground for now, and moved into a recovery mode.

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19 hours ago, eyeball said:

An environmentally conscious conservative who acts in a way that underscores their understanding of what the word conserve means would get my vote.

Stop it Eye I feel a Kumbaya moment.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

With massive debt ahead of us, a stalled economy, unknown status of the virus, Is climate change going to be a factor in all this Can we even afford an moderate climate change program such as doubling taxes as the liberals want. Or have we moved climate change to the back ground for now, and moved into a recovery mode.

Well its a great question. Add to that does anyone think with China about to find shrinking markets to sell to sit back and fret about its air pollution? 

We could in Canada conceivably could kick start our economy with more environmentally friendly products now we will be obsessed with germs...anything i possible with marketing but China? I do not see them having made any effort to clean up their wet markets.  Do they have the spinal cord to do so?

 It has a very vulnerable underbelly of citizens who have not lived through a revolution or starvation and were brought up on consumerism to the extent of being dependent on working in factories that make shit for foreign export. I see no indication from its central planners as to concern about quality control, health control,  environmental innovations that would impact on cleaner technology in any aspect you define that.

I think we can talk about a country with 40 million like Canada..sure..but what do you do with almost 2 billion if not more citizens living in a regime that is the major polluter? I do not wish to point fingers at them. We all share our blame but from a realistic point of you Canada can not and will not lead the world in this  and we need China to buy in. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sounds good to me. I'll reserve further comment until I see it in action.

That's right son, no need to worry we've got all the bright ideas on this side of the fence. Say, why don't you come over and join us?

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43 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That's right son, no need to worry we've got all the bright ideas on this side of the fence. Say, why don't you come over and join us?

Alzheimer's dementia other cognitive disorders on your side of it....pats dad on head.

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On 4/13/2020 at 4:54 PM, eyeball said:

An environmentally conscious conservative who acts in a way that underscores their understanding of what the word conserve means would get my vote.

If by that you mean someone who will go all-in on a big, fat carbon tax to drive manufacturers to China and Mexico, that's just not gonna happen.

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6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

With massive debt ahead of us, a stalled economy, unknown status of the virus, Is climate change going to be a factor in all this Can we even afford an moderate climate change program such as doubling taxes as the liberals want. Or have we moved climate change to the back ground for now, and moved into a recovery mode.

I think the Liberal mindset is such that 15% unemployment just isn't important enough to detract from the necessity of closing down our auto industry with heavy carbon taxes and pricey electricity. Just think how proud Trudeau will be as he brags about how that's reduced our emissions - as those auto factories pump the same damn shit into the air in Mexico or South Carolina.

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On 4/13/2020 at 5:36 PM, eyeball said:

She also mocked it in her autobiography.

 “The doomsters’ favourite subject today is climate change,” she wrote. “Clearly no plan to alter climate could be considered on anything but a global scale, it provides a marvellous excuse for worldwide, supra-national socialism.”

I bet she even put in an LOL in the actual book.

She wasn't wrong. The people most involved in the global warming industry are all socialists and have made no bones about their top priority being redistributing income from the western countries to the third world ones. The reason why the West is required to make heavy cutbacks is so they will make it expensive to manufacture goods and those jobs will flow south to more deserving people. In addition to the hundreds of billions (trillions) of dollars the West is required to pay the third world under the Paris accord. Thus the West, while taxing their own industry and trying to put in place expensive renewable energy pays money to the third world who use it to build coal-fired power plants.

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On 4/13/2020 at 3:49 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. CO2 is reduced when Canada reduces CO2 production.  Individual population programs may have some effect but refugees are an immeasurably small portion.

"Immeasurably". Definition of immeasurable: incapable of being measured broadly :

Number of immigrants last year: 341,000

Number of asylum applicants: 63,830

Percentage of newcomers who are refugees: 18.7%

Immeasurably. Not.

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4 minutes ago, Argus said:

The reason why the West is required to make heavy cutbacks is so they will make it expensive to manufacture goods and those jobs will flow south to more deserving people.

No it was to give less developed countries a chance to catch up before we all proceeded together.

You probably also puke when you hear about everyone in a kids softball league getting a trophy for just playing together.

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No it was to give less developed countries a chance to catch up before we all proceeded together.

To let them 'catch up'. In other words, under socialism, all should be equal, whether they're actually skilled and industrious or not. And since Socialism doesn't know how to elevate the unskilled and incompetent very well (except by electing them to office), it usually consists mostly of pushing down the skilled and industrious until everyone is equally poor.

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You probably also puke when you hear about everyone in a kids softball league getting a trophy for just playing together.

A brainless, moronic idea from brainless, moronic people. Most of whom never succeeded in life and never won anything and still resent it.

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No it was to give less developed countries a chance to catch up before we all proceeded together.

You probably also puke when you hear about everyone in a kids softball league getting a trophy for just playing together.

It just shows what some people actually think about the threat from climate change.  If they took it as seriously as they should, they would realise that cutting emissions was all that matters, and playing favourites did not.  For any reason. 

It's why we aren't going to stop climate change.

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