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1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

What about the fact that under Donald Trump legislation drafted by Jared Kushner the biggest criminal reform in US history was done and helped a lot of people get of jail (mostly minorities, I guess he was not a racist then) and that Obama deported more people than Trump did, I guess that failed to report on MSNBC.

Don't think MSNBC or CNN are better than Fox, all of them divide a country by coming 24/7 on the TV and state their opinion. Try watching some news report from the 80's or 90's strictly news not BIAS right or left. Is hard to see who started it all, is like the chicken or the egg however action = reaction :).

Trump is not a racist, he worships at the altar of MONEY, he just plays the music to whatever group wants to hear it. You wait to see the book deals he will get after his presidency. I mean Obama did get a 16 million dollar book deal, Bernie has 2 houses and 1 cottage, is good business to talk about RACISM  (SO I CAN BE ON TOPIC).

Trump has problems trying to make America great again because of the leftist liberal lying media and the demonrats who have been trying for years to nail Trump's ass. So far, so good for Trump. Those deep state scumbags I mentioned will never try to help and keep and make America great again. Their aim only is to try and destroy America and to try and turn America into a deep state communist hell hole. Obamarama was doing his part to try and make America fall. 

Trump is not a racist for sure. But Trump worships at the alter of money just like you and me and everyone else here does also. I love money and I only wish that I could have 1/10th of the money that Trump has. The demonrats were doing okay until Trump came along. Now Trump has upset their deep state apple cart and they hate him for that. 

But why does Trump keep coming up in this thread anyway? I guess with most Canadians members here, they have to find someway of getting Trump's name into this thread. That is what I hate mostly about Canadians. They can never seem to mind their own bloody business, and always prefer to get their big noses into other countries affairs when their own bloody country is falling apart. This is why I despise most Canadians. To me they really have become a bunch of no mind dandy's indeed.  ;)

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Canada is one of the LEAST racist countries in the world and actively works at stamping it out.  Why would you be overly concerned about racism in Canada when the MOST racist countries are Middle

This is like asking why some Canadians steal, or rape, or murder.

Probably similar to the reasons some Muslims are so loud about their hatred of non-Muslims, gays, Jews, etc.

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, people only say Trump is the "leader of the free world" when obviously he is not.

Has nothing to do with racism in Canada.

But those Canadians sure do like to bring up Trump's name whenever they can into any thread. There are so many members here that truly do suffer from TDS. They just cannot seem to get Trump out of their heads. What the hell is wrong with those people anyway? There are so many worse dictator leaders in the world that do more harm to their own countries and to their own people but yet for some reason they cannot stop from wanting to bring up Trump's name all the time.  It's simply amazing indeed. :unsure:

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On 4/23/2020 at 6:45 PM, WestCanMan said:

OMG you're calling other people stupid in the middle of all this lol. Pure comedic gold. 

How do you think we got in this mess? 

Scientists have been warning us for years that the continued growth in human populations, destruction of tropical forests, increasing reliance on factory farming practices would lead to more and more disease pandemics, including making bacteria and viruses (like corona viruses which rarely affected humans before) bigger problems for us today. 

And after all of the years us socialists have had to put up with propagandists working for capitalism shoveling shit at us about how efficient and quick-responding capitalist market forces were, we end up with this quagmire where onlly the most socialistic nations and societies are adequately dealing with the crisis/while the most capitalistic...like those to the south have really crapped their pants this time and made the pandemic worse than it could have been!

 

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20 minutes ago, Right To Left said:

It was way more than 100 years! Slavery existed as soon as English and Spanish colonists started up and brought African slaves with them. 

As for Persians or whatever else, the great innovation in America...and the one that nobody thought of before....which shocked the Brits and led to demands of ending slavery within their Empire, was the US brought the great innovation of breeding slaves like cattle and other livestock. In other cultures throughout history which engaged in slavery, slaves were viewed as inferior groups owing their masters free labor. BUT, neither the Persians nor anyone else thought up selective slave breeding! 

Go read up, and find out when America became a country RtL. You'll be amazed.

I'm not holding America accountable for the laws that existed there before they were a country, just like I'm not holding you accountable if your father drove drunk when you were a 3 yr old riding in the back. It's not relevant, is it? 

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Just now, Right To Left said:

How do you think we got in this mess? 

Scientists have been warning us for years that the continued growth in human populations, destruction of tropical forests, increasing reliance on factory farming practices would lead to more and more disease pandemics, including making bacteria and viruses (like corona viruses which rarely affected humans before) bigger problems for us today. 

And after all of the years us socialists have had to put up with propagandists working for capitalism shoveling shit at us about how efficient and quick-responding capitalist market forces were, we end up with this quagmire where onlly the most socialistic nations and societies are adequately dealing with the crisis/while the most capitalistic...like those to the south have really crapped their pants this time and made the pandemic worse than it could have been!

Right on cue, more stupidity.

Socialistic nations didn't have stronger reaction to covid than the US. America's ability to put up hospitals and build respirators wasn't second-best to anyone. 

Blame DeBlasio, a Dem, for auctioning off 500 respirators "because maintenance was too expensive. We need all our money for abortion clinics". 

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42 minutes ago, taxme said:

It's the likes of globalists like Gates, Zuckerborg, Bloomborg and so many other billionaires and families from that deep state tribe cabal who are the ones that do run this world, and do enjoy making all of our lives miserable  as hell. They thrive on division and racism where they can just people hating one another and then slide right up the middle and win. If it were not for that scum the world would be a lot better place to live in where poverty, hunger and wars would not prevail. Racism will never be defeated until one starts to see as to who is behind it all. Sadly, there are not that many smart enough people around in the world. So this shit will be going on for decades to come.

Rumor has it that the end game is a new world order and a one world communist government with China leading the way. I believe that it said somewhere in the bible where it says to be beware of the yellow race. Indeed today, we better heed that little warning from the bible about the yellow race because it would appear as though the yellow race are slowly taking over the world. They are buying up everything and starting to control everything.  :(

We live in a world where the sociopaths who have a single-minded, insatiable lust for money and power, are praised and rewarded for their efforts...rather than being shunned...as they would be in more primitive societies where greed and selfishness are considered vices/not virtues. 

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2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Right on cue, more stupidity.

Socialistic nations didn't have stronger reaction to covid than the US. America's ability to put up hospitals and build respirators wasn't second-best to anyone. 

Blame DeBlasio, a Dem, for auctioning off 500 respirators "because maintenance was too expensive. We need all our money for abortion clinics". 

Right! DeBlasio and Cuomo are 'socialists!!!' By what definition? 

When I think socialist, I'm thinking of Cuba, which is dealing with the Covid-19 pandemic much better than the US (goes without saying) and is able to provide hundreds of doctors to other countries dealing with the pandemic....except for the US....which is too dumb to act in its own interests....that's a big part of how President Clorox got to where he is today!

Mixed economy nations that have strong public healthcare systems...even up here in Canada, are doing much better than the US. much reviled China...where the pandemic started, is recovering...much to the chagrin of US Neocons and is re-opening their economy...even in Wuhan ...where it all started, and sending doctors and protective equipment abroad, because they have less use for it now.

Aside from America's idiocy about continuing private/for profit healthcare, the other great failing is the great capitalist innovation in production in the era of Neoliberalism: Just In Time production and distribution of products...even for hospitals and other care facilities! And even after all of these weeks, many states still have frontline staff at risk because of inadequate protection from catching this disease.

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1 hour ago, Marocc said:

You think (those) Muslims hate non-Muslims, Jews and gays because they believe their religion is the best and only true religion [you mean as opposed to how Buddhists feel?], and because they believe their holy book tells them to hate others and even to kill them?

Has someone told you, 'I hate Jews/Non-Muslims/gays - the book tells me to'? Where do you get the information?

Your first point makes no sense because most followers of a religion believe the same thing. The second makes no sense because you're not only saying some hate and kill such and such people because they're told to — you're saying they think they have been told to hate and kill.

 

It's is quite plain to see that ever since multiculturalism and massive 3rd world immigration was implemented and started up in Canada back in the 60's we never had to listen  to all of this non-white racism bull chit at anytime. When Canada was 90% white many many decades ago, no one gave a crap about Muslims or any other non-white people or their cultures and religions. Now that is all we get to hear now is racism here, and racism there and racism everywhere thanks to our dear comrade leaders and the leftist lieberal media who have been big contributors to all of this racism nonsense with their promotion of multiculturalism and massive 3rd world immigration. 

This is what happens when a country tries to destroy their own culture and ways of doing things by bringing in dozens of foreign incompatible cultures and religions and languages into their countries by the millions. When I was growing up, I never heard of all this chit about racism happening like I do today. I am of the opinion now that Canada should have stayed 90% white because look what is happening now in Canada today. Racism and hatred and division is now pretty much everywhere and growing in Canada. And the more that we keep bringing in of these many different cultures the more of this crap we are going to have to put up with. 

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15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Go read up, and find out when America became a country RtL. You'll be amazed.

I'm not holding America accountable for the laws that existed there before they were a country, just like I'm not holding you accountable if your father drove drunk when you were a 3 yr old riding in the back. It's not relevant, is it? 

NO, the 13 colonies were led by middle and upper classmen who risked revolution because they insisted on slavery and continued westward expansion...so no sale! 

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2 minutes ago, Right To Left said:

Right! DeBlasio and Cuomo are 'socialists!!!' By what definition? 

When I think socialist, I'm thinking of Cuba, which is dealing with the Covid-19 pandemic much better than the US (goes without saying) and is able to provide hundreds of doctors to other countries dealing with the pandemic....except for the US....which is too dumb to act in its own interests....that's a big part of how President Clorox got to where he is today!

Mixed economy nations that have strong public healthcare systems...even up here in Canada, are doing much better than the US. much reviled China...where the pandemic started, is recovering...much to the chagrin of US Neocons and is re-opening their economy...even in Wuhan ...where it all started, and sending doctors and protective equipment abroad, because they have less use for it now.

Aside from America's idiocy about continuing private/for profit healthcare, the other great failing is the great capitalist innovation in production in the era of Neoliberalism: Just In Time production and distribution of products...even for hospitals and other care facilities! And even after all of these weeks, many states still have frontline staff at risk because of inadequate protection from catching this disease.

The globalist sociopaths are the ones who created this plandemic for their own gains. This virus is no more different to any other seasonal flu virus but somehow they were able to get their control over our politicians and their control of the MSM to help spread the word around that this virus is going to kill millions if we do not do something about it, and the people fell for it hook, line and sinker. Only fools and buffoons cannot see just how phony and what a hoax this has all become. We have given up our freedoms for what? Sweet dyk all. We the foolish people have allowed a bunch of insane globalists to wreck all of our lives and they will have been allowed to cause more harm than good to our economy and more health problems and more deaths for we the foolish people from this bloody hoax than the virus could ever do by itself.

There is no way the whole world can be going thru this plandemic pretty much altogether unless it was all coordinated by some pretty big powerful globalist people world wide.  Now I do believe that there are but a few billionaire families that do control this planet. It has to be. Otherwise, what other conclusion can someone come up with where the whole bloody world went into lock down. And these globalists are the same sociopaths that are causing racism in Canada today. Question more as old Larry King use to say.;)

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41 minutes ago, Right To Left said:

Right! DeBlasio and Cuomo are 'socialists!!!' By what definition? 

When I think socialist, I'm thinking of Cuba, which is dealing with the Covid-19 pandemic much better than the US (goes without saying) and is able to provide hundreds of doctors to other countries dealing with the pandemic....except for the US....which is too dumb to act in its own interests....that's a big part of how President Clorox got to where he is today!

Mixed economy nations that have strong public healthcare systems...even up here in Canada, are doing much better than the US. much reviled China...where the pandemic started, is recovering...much to the chagrin of US Neocons and is re-opening their economy...even in Wuhan ...where it all started, and sending doctors and protective equipment abroad, because they have less use for it now.

Aside from America's idiocy about continuing private/for profit healthcare, the other great failing is the great capitalist innovation in production in the era of Neoliberalism: Just In Time production and distribution of products...even for hospitals and other care facilities! And even after all of these weeks, many states still have frontline staff at risk because of inadequate protection from catching this disease.

I didn't say that Dems were socialists. Look again.

Cuba gets how many Chinese visitors/year?

Canada's 40M people are spread over 11M sq km. We avg 4 people per sq km. NYC has just under 1/3 of our population, and 13,750 people per sq km on a good day. 

Who are you to  complain about America, in all honesty? Is America really playing second fiddle to anyone, or do you owe your freedom and safety to America? Show some respect.

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46 minutes ago, Right To Left said:

NO, the 13 colonies were led by middle and upper classmen who risked revolution because they insisted on slavery and continued westward expansion...so no sale! 

WGAF? They evolved in that short period of time to become what they are. If you're correct then it's even more impressive because they started off on worse footing. Feel the Bern, socialist. 

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3 minutes ago, taxme said:

The globalist sociopaths are the ones who created this plandemic for their own gains. This virus is no more different to any other seasonal flu virus but somehow they were able to get their control over our politicians and their control of the MSM to help spread the word around that this virus is going to kill millions if we do not do something about it, and the people fell for it hook, line and sinker. Only fools and buffoons cannot see just how phony and what a hoax this has all become. We have given up our freedoms for what? Sweet dyk all. We the foolish people have allowed a bunch of insane globalists to wreck all of our lives and they will have been allowed to cause more harm than good to our economy and more health problems and more deaths for we the foolish people from this bloody hoax than the virus could ever do by itself.

There is no way the whole world can be going thru this plandemic pretty much altogether unless it was all coordinated by some pretty big powerful globalist people world wide.  Now I do believe that there are but a few billionaire families that do control this planet. It has to be. Otherwise, what other conclusion can someone come up with where the whole bloody world went into lock down. And these globalists are the same sociopaths that are causing racism in Canada today. Question more as old Larry King use to say.;)

I could see "planning" in the sense that the masters of the universe have been studying how to adapt and profit from this sort of global pandemic for some time now, but I don't agree that this disease is no more than a seasonal flu. In a typical flu season, only about .01% of those affected die from a flu virus. In most of the countries affected so far, Covid-19 has been averaging about a 5% death rate. What's worse is that this disease is leaving many survivors with permanent damage - lost lung capacity and damage to kidneys and other internal organs. And this is happening to much younger people as well, unlike the high fatality rates among nursing home patients.

If the Davos crowd were waiting for this opportunity, they will regret it if Covid-19 succeeds in destroying the global trading system and bringing down the US Dollar. That would explain why Buffet, Gates, Branson and a number of prominent billionaires are trying to buy up hard assets now....especially land, cause if the Dollar crashes, it''s not just going to be us small investors who lose, they'll be on the losing end as well! 

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3 hours ago, Tdot said:

They came here willingly, true indeed, but that is independent of subjugation awaiting them when they arrive here ---same as that subjugation which always rapes the one-third of Canadian negros who are natives;

So apparently you don't think much of Black people, is that right? Because you seem to think they're so stupid that they come here voluntarily to be subjugated, and never decide to go back home where they're 'free'.

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4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I didn't say that Dems were socialists. Look again.

Cuba gets how many Chinese visitors/year?

Canada's 40M people are spread over 11M sq km. We avg 4 people per sq km. NYC has just under 1/3 of our population, and 13,750 people per sq km on a good day. 

Who are you to  complain about America, in all honesty? Is America really playing second fiddle to anyone, or do you owe your freedom and safety to America? Show some respect.

I've been to NYC a few times. I know it's crowded, but so are most cities. The problems start with the grossest, most distorted disparity in wealth and income that gives New York a small community of super-rich who make all the rules, while working class New Yorkers have to pay exorbitant rents because the billionaire class have parked so much of their loot in New York real estate, and driven prices out of sight for middle class....kind of similar to Toronto. 

Cuba gets a few Canadians....like me!

America is a threat to the collective safety of the entire world, let alone Canada, and even to Americans as well! Because their sociopath ruling class would rather push for all out nuclear war than accept the fact that America....like all empires, don't last forever! I know Churchill didn't like it, but the British Empire stepped back and gave up its colonies and more important: it's reserve currency status to the US Dollar. But today, if China or even the Eurozone threatens to displace the USD, they're going to start launching the nukes!

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4 minutes ago, Right To Left said:

I've been to NYC a few times. I know it's crowded, but so are most cities. The problems start with the grossest, most distorted disparity in wealth and income that gives New York a small community of super-rich who make all the rules, while working class New Yorkers have to pay exorbitant rents because the billionaire class have parked so much of their loot in New York real estate, and driven prices out of sight for middle class....kind of similar to Toronto. 

Cuba gets a few Canadians....like me!

America is a threat to the collective safety of the entire world, let alone Canada, and even to Americans as well! Because their sociopath ruling class would rather push for all out nuclear war than accept the fact that America....like all empires, don't last forever! I know Churchill didn't like it, but the British Empire stepped back and gave up its colonies and more important: it's reserve currency status to the US Dollar. But today, if China or even the Eurozone threatens to displace the USD, they're going to start launching the nukes!

I've been to NYC too. I hate it. 

The wealth gap between Maduro and the avg Venezuelan needs to be taken into account here fella. There are poor people, less than a handful of middle class people, some wealthy people and King Maduro.

Cuba's risk from covid from Chinese travellers vs New York's is like the risk of shark bites in your bathtub vs outside of the great barrier reef.

I get that you hate democracy, but even you can't deny that it has lifted more people out of poverty than any other form of gov't, and actual socialism always fails. 

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1 hour ago, Right To Left said:

I could add that slavery likely would not have existed at all except for economic incentives provided when the first empires were being built,

North American and South American tribes took and kept slaves. African tribes took and kept and sold slaves. The Arabs of north Africa and the middle east did too, so did various Asian nations. Trying to equate it with imperialism is silly.

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

So apparently you don't think much of Black people, is that right? Because you seem to think they're so stupid that they come here voluntarily to be subjugated, and never decide to go back home where they're 'free'.

I'll bet these are comments you never make to black people face to face. 

The black immigrants I know...mostly Jamaicans, first started coming here on work permits as farm laborers, before applying for permanent status and then citizenship. Their homelands are under the boot of foreign corporations and big money interests. So the compliant governments that are State Dept. approved, follow a path of hollowing out their public services and selling off public assets to foreign investors. In Jamaica, the only people who want to stay are those who go to work for government offices. 

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1 minute ago, Right To Left said:

I'll bet these are comments you never make to black people face to face.

Never had a black person immigrate here and complain about being 'subjugated' so no.

1 minute ago, Right To Left said:

The black immigrants I know...mostly Jamaicans, first started coming here on work permits as farm laborers, before applying for permanent status and then citizenship. Their homelands are under the boot of foreign corporations and big money interests.

You mean their homelands are under the control of corrupt Jamaican bosses.

 

 

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50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

WGAF? They evolved in that short period of time to become what they are. If you're correct then it's even more impressive because they started off on worse footing. Feel the Bern, socialist. 

WGAF! The guiding philosophy never changed! And Bernie was no socialist!

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32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I've been to NYC too. I hate it. 

The wealth gap between Maduro and the avg Venezuelan needs to be taken into account here fella. There are poor people, less than a handful of middle class people, some wealthy people and King Maduro.

Cuba's risk from covid from Chinese travellers vs New York's is like the risk of shark bites in your bathtub vs outside of the great barrier reef.

I get that you hate democracy, but even you can't deny that it has lifted more people out of poverty than any other form of gov't, and actual socialism always fails. 

Another bullshit deflection! New York is headquarters of global capitalism and its failures and misery reflect the failure of reliance on capitalism as a guiding principle. 

And capitalism has nothing to do with democracy! When capitalism is in ascendency/ democracy either falls or becomes a pointless exercise....like the propaganda exercise the presidential sweepstakes have turned in to!

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I have to tell you I love this forum, it sure helps with this isolation and working from home. 

My circle of friends that I talk politics with are moderate like myself always open to change their mind by analyzing the facts and admiting when wrong

Lots of extremists in this group (both left and ring). I think people become extreme in their views because they just can't admit that they are wrong in some cases. Is pride. Maybe extremism is a strong word, but I am referring to the way of thinking.

When I have discussions with people that say they are left wing or right wing I do a simple test: I ask the left winger what he thinks of Trump and the right winger what he thinks of George Soros.

If they start saying that everything that they do is evil in my book they are extreme. Even a broken clock is right twice a day like come on. How can a man be 100% right or 100% wrong all the time ? No rational thinking.

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3 hours ago, taxme said:

 

New immigrants from many non-white countries around the world have come to America and pretty much all of them have done very well. 

Yes, and here's why:

 

 

and you're wrong, about those immigrants ...they are all from Caucasian DNA, and that is why they come to USA and Canada then get put before negros.

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1 hour ago, Right To Left said:

WGAF! The guiding philosophy never changed! And Bernie was no socialist!

You have no point left RtL. America is as exactly as old as I said it was. They were conceived in a world where slavery was completely normal and had been since the beginning of recorded history, 5,000 years earlier. They abolished slavery of their own free will, exactly when I said they did. If you want to blame someone for racism/slavery, it's not just white people, it's every single race of people. If you want to give someone credit for abolishing slavery, it's not just everybody, it's just Europeans, because the world powers when slavery was abolished were European. Cry me a river if you don't like what I said because it diminishes your idiotic talking points but every word is true. 

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1 hour ago, Right To Left said:

Another bullshit deflection! New York is headquarters of global capitalism and its failures and misery reflect the failure of reliance on capitalism as a guiding principle. 

NY is just a big city. I don't like big cities and I truly hate modern-day liberals because I can't stand their stupidity and their blatant hypocrisy. 

Deflection? I don't need to deflect kid, I just run your childish notions into the ground. 

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And capitalism has nothing to do with democracy! When capitalism is in ascendency/ democracy either falls or becomes a pointless exercise....like the propaganda exercise the presidential sweepstakes have turned in to!

Is there a stupidity contest going on during covid that I never heard about, because so many people have been giving their all lately.

Democracy and free enterprise go hand in hand. Freedom to choose a leader, freedom to run a business, freedom to choose your own role in society, freedom to succeed, freedom to control your own destiny. We have a social safety net, and basic minimums for people with certain disadvantages, that's something we all agree on. All-out socialism is an all-out failure, all the time. 

Socialism, communism is a perversion of the independent human spirit. You and AOC get to give everyone the same result in life no matter how hard different people work. That creates a society of loafers, a society where doing more than the bare minimum doesn't gain you anything. But make no mistake, in Bernie's world, where 90% of the cash that goes around the country flows through the government's sticky little fingers, Bernie gets to live like an absolute King. It's a lot like the way Biden runs the gov't - you wanna get sweet deal with the US, get your communist bank to "invest" in our new startup. $1.5B is about the avg amount of money that the communist bank of China invests with American businesses lol.

If you took all the brains of all the Dem supporters and put them in a nutshell you'd have a rattle.

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