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Was Trump Right to De-Fund the WHO, Pending the Results of an Investigation?   

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Don't be a wimp. After you vote, tell us how you voted, and why.

This is probably the most energy invested into a MLW forum poll to date.    Well done ! I voted for defunding regardless of Trump, as the WHO needed to be reformed many years ago. Mod will p

Read what YOU JUST WROTE THERE, YOURSELF! Those words came out of your own brain but somehow you manage to fail to grasp the significance of them entirely. VIRAL OUTBREAK. CATACLYSMIC EVENT. BANN

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes, effective treatment, health policy, and the vaccine should be a major international focus.  Keep eyes on the prize.  

I don’t worry about America’s choices until they undermine good international policy.  Trump can be himself and protect his standing if he knows when to shut up and get out of the way, if his success is your concern.  

 

We have already had this discussion many times.     Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do about the globalists.

Canada can pursue it own interests on Canada's dime, without depending so much on the Americans paying for most of the "post WW2 order".

Trump is just another U.S. president...then there will be another one right behind him.    And Canada will fret as always....

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I just realized that I will never win an argument with WCM due to my vastly inferior intellect, so I created a fake quote from him.

Hopefully no one will notice that he suddenly started saying things so stupid that only I could have said them. 

Geez eyeball, that was painfully honest. 

It's nice to see that you can get at least one thing right. The entire internet community is in shock. 

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27 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do....starve the globalists.   

Where's the ROFLMAO icon when you need it most.  Trump is a globalist.    

He's defunded WHO because he screwed up and needs to place blame elsewhere.  

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Just now, dialamah said:

Where's the ROFLMAO icon when you need it most.  Trump is a globalist.    

He's defunded WHO because he screwed up and needs to place blame elsewhere.  

 

The WHO was screwed up long before Trump became prez.

Hate America...love America's money.    Screw that.

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4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The WHO was screwed up long before Trump became prez.

Trump told you to think that.  Good boy.

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Hate America...love America's money.    Screw that.

You poor, hard-done by American boy.  Not getting enough positive strokes?  Do you need a safe space?

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4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Trump told you to think that.  Good boy.

You poor, hard-done by American boy.  Not getting enough positive strokes?  Do you need a safe space?

 

Before Trump....one of many examples:

 

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The World Health Organization's (WHO) reputation became irrefutably damaged during the Ebola outbreak, with a general consensus in the global health community that it fell short of its leadership responsibilities. This commentary offers a brief synopsis of the WHO's role during the outbreak and suggests that the disease outbreak demonstrates the tension that exists between the organization's normative and operational roles in health crises.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5394645/

 

Stroke that.....

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2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Where's the ROFLMAO icon when you need it most.  Trump is a globalist.    

He's defunded WHO because he screwed up and needs to place blame elsewhere.  

The WHO, according to your fellow propaganda victim eyeball's links, was aware that covid was potentially a cataclysmic pandemic in NOVEMBER. 

At the beginning of February, that's over 2 full months later, they called a travel ban against the center of the virus epidemic racist. They didn't manage to figure out in that 2-month span that H2H transmission was occurring (remind me how they think that it had the potential to be a cataclysmic pandemic if the only way that you could get it was by handling bats in a wet market) and they never figured out that wearing masks was potentially beneficial, and you don't see a problem with that? Nothing at all?  

You don't see, in what I wrote there, that the WHO needs to be investigated? They're the ones who were in China, looking at data and investigating. Trump was 3,000 miles away, coming up with better ideas than their whole team of PhD-level "experts".

You're like a posse of Alabama cops who just let a biker gang called "Purveyors of Meth" go by, and then pulled over a black guy in a 12 year old Mazda with his wife and kids, looking for narcotics. "Heyy bowa, yewww got inny jrogs in heah?"

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5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The WHO, according to your fellow propaganda victim eyeball's links, was aware that covid was potentially a cataclysmic pandemic in NOVEMBER. 

Can you show us in any of the sources I provided that say that?

It's incredible what a lying sack of shit you are.

 

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17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Can you show us in any of the sources I provided that say that?

It's incredible what a lying sack of shit you are.

 

Here: It was actually you that said November. 

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

COVID-19 has been miles ahead of Trump and indeed the world since day one, speaking of which was probably back in November when our foreign intelligence was warning us about a viral outbreak that could be "a cataclysmic event".

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6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Here: It was actually you that said November. 

Yes but can you point out where I or these sources actually said the WHO knew in November?

After all this time and after all these posts and threads in which you refute what these sources say you STILL haven't read them have you?

Don't be a sack of shit now fess up.  

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47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The WHO, according to your fellow propaganda victim eyeball's links, was aware that covid was

Yes, and US intelligence was aware in November and Canadian intelligence was aware in January according to a link I posted.  So why did Trump do nothing for months?  Why did he downplay its seriousness for months?  Why is it WHO's fault if countries sit on their collective asses, despite having the same or better information than WHO does?  

52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You don't see, in what I wrote there, that the WHO needs to be investigated?

If these various reports are true and WHO knew in November, and the US knew in November and Trump knew "way before WHO called it a pandemic", why aren't you calling for an investigation into the US intelligence and Trump?  Why only WHO?  Why won't you insist on US authorities taking responsibility for failing to recommend travel shut downs or wearing masks?  Why do you ignore the way Trump downplayed the seriousness of this virus - even though he knew way before the rest the world how serious it was. 

I don't really care how stupid Trump is, you know.  I doubt the stories about the US intelligence knowing about the virus in November are true; I'm more inclined to believe that both US and Canadian intelligence got similar information regarding how it could progress, well before it was called a pandemic, perhaps in late December or early January.  I expect they said nothing to the unwashed masses (thats us) because they hoped China would be able to contain it. 

As I've said before, everybody made mistakes somewhere - starting years ago by not being prepared for a pandemic.  Trump just wants to scapegoat WHO because he spent months reassuring Americans that it wasn't serious, it was under control, it would be gone by Easter, for for failing to have medical supplies prepared, for failing to develop or implement any kind of coherent plan.  That's all on Trump, not WHO,  just as it's on Trudeau for hesitating until the last possible moment before taking any action.    But at least Trudeau eventually took some decent action, instead of playing around on Twitter and recommending quack cures.

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes but can you point out where I or these sources actually said the WHO knew in November?

After all this time and after all these posts and threads in which you refute what these sources say you STILL haven't read them have you?

Don't be a sack of shit now fess up.  

My apologies for taking you at your word eyeball, that that's what in the sites you're quoting. I admit that was pretty silly, in light of your worth.

Of course I didn't read your cites. Do you honestly think I'm f'n stupid enough to have access behind the WashPo paywall? 

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The World Health Organization has been in trouble for years...before Trump:

From 2016....

 

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For years the global health body has talked about the need to improve the way it operates, but has struggled to make reforms. Some health experts say time is running out.

 

The pressure for change has been building after a series of missteps by the global health body. Last year, while still smarting from accusations it overreacted to the 2009-10 H1N1 flu pandemic, the WHO faced withering criticism for not reacting fast enough to the Ebola crisis in West Africa.  The organisation’s Lyon-based International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has become a target of ridicule among some health experts for issuing confusing warnings on everything from the air we breathe to the meat we eat to the phones we use. And the WHO is now being questioned about its response to the Zika virus.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-who-future/

 

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4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Yes, and US intelligence was aware in November and Canadian intelligence was aware in January according to a link I posted.  So why did Trump do nothing for months?  Why did he downplay its seriousness for months?  Why is it WHO's fault if countries sit on their collective asses, despite having the same or better information than WHO does?  

If these various reports are true and WHO knew in November, and the US knew in November and Trump knew "way before WHO called it a pandemic", why aren't you calling for an investigation into the US intelligence and Trump?  Why only WHO?  Why won't you insist on US authorities taking responsibility for failing to recommend travel shut downs or wearing masks?  Why do you ignore the way Trump downplayed the seriousness of this virus - even though he knew way before the rest the world how serious it was. 

I don't really care how stupid Trump is, you know.  I doubt the stories about the US intelligence knowing about the virus in November are true; I'm more inclined to believe that both US and Canadian intelligence got similar information regarding how it could progress, well before it was called a pandemic, perhaps in late December or early January.  I expect they said nothing to the unwashed masses (thats us) because they hoped China would be able to contain it. 

As I've said before, everybody made mistakes somewhere - starting years ago by not being prepared for a pandemic.  Trump just wants to scapegoat WHO because he spent months reassuring Americans that it wasn't serious, it was under control, it would be gone by Easter, for for failing to have medical supplies prepared, for failing to develop or implement any kind of coherent plan.  That's all on Trump, not WHO,  just as it's on Trudeau for hesitating until the last possible moment before taking any action.    But at least Trudeau eventually took some decent action, instead of playing around on Twitter and recommending quack cures.

Again, you're acknowledging that the WHO knew, and yet they gave out the worst possible advice. The world relied on it. The world got infected because of it. But your position remains that they don't need to get investigated. That's pure stupidity, and you don't need to keep re-packaging it because it just reinforces the fact that you have all the facts inside of your head but you can't connect the OBVIOUS dots.

Trump was out ahead of the advice that he was getting from the WHO. That's apparent from his actions compared to the advice given by the WHO, and the WHO's crticism of his actions, which have been proven to have saved lives, with the benefit of hindsight.

Thank you President Trump for saving lives, if you followed the advice of the WHO many more Americans would be dead.

Just learn this dialamah, don't go walking around reiterating the stupid things that you're writing here.

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It's an organization that has a communist as its head, regurgitates talking points of the communist party of China, and refuses to let Taiwan join. I say, defund them, leave, and start a new organization that include the country of Taiwan (Republic if China). Disallow the commies or other authoritarian regimes (such as Saudi Arabia, which kills gay people) from joining.

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17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you honestly think I'm f'n stupid enough to have access behind the WashPo paywall? 

No I think you're to stupid and lazy to figure out how leaving you with little more than this to inform yourself.

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13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The World Health Organization has been in trouble for years...before Trump.

This has nothing at all to do with American officials at the WHO blowing the whistle on Trump's claim that he knew nothing.

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Fact:  the WHO is STILL saying that masks don't prevent infection for healthy individuals in the general public or in contact with sick people.

https://www.who.int/publications-detail/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak

"There is limited evidence that wearing a medical mask by healthy individuals in the households or among contacts of a sick patient, or among attendees of mass gatherings may be beneficial as a preventive measure. However, there is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19."

No type of mask will prevent infection?  Even military-style masks?  Are you serious?  Lies.

And yet in the same publication they then recommend healthy people at home and health care workers wear masks when in the same room of people who are infected.  HUH?  They also, in bold, continually say things like "Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers".  If they don't work as preventative measures in healthy people then why save them for healthy healthcare workers?

I highly suspect the reason is because the WHO wants to dissuade healthy people from buying masks since they're in short supply thus will take them away from healthcare workers, since they do need them most.  They also say "The use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with neglect of other essential measures", which is true, but that isn't a reason to dissuade people from using masks in public.  We're being lied to.  They're willing to give the public false info for "the greater good"

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1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No type of mask will prevent infection?  Even military-style masks?  Are you serious?  Lies.

They won't do a damn thing against a virus settling on your clothes.

How come we're not being told to get dressed in head to toe fresh PPE and stripping naked and disposing of our infected PPE outside before heading into our homes?   

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6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They won't do a damn thing against a virus settling on your clothes.

Ok, what does that have to do with the masks?  They prevent you from breathing in the virus.  The virus is contracted by getting it inside your body especially via a wet membrane, like your eyes, tongue, mouth, nose, throat, lungs.  That's why healthcare workers are wearing masks and face shields.  How in the f*** do masks not prevent infection among the general public?

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How come we're not being told to get dressed in head to toe fresh PPE and stripping naked and disposing of our infected PPE outside before heading into our homes?   

Because that would take supplies away from healthcare workers.

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14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They won't do a damn thing against a virus settling on your clothes.

How come we're not being told to get dressed in head to toe fresh PPE and stripping naked and disposing of our infected PPE outside before heading into our homes?   

I know a woman who actually does strip naked and toss her clothes into the washer and herself into the shower after she's been out.  People are  scared (I am, but I try to be reasonable about it), whether it's actually warranted or not.  For me, it's the government response that is most concerning - governments don't lightly shut down or slow down the economy so it seems to me that not controlling the virus looks more dangerous to them, economically and politically (cause dead people on your watch isn't good).

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5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Ok, what does that have to do with the masks? 

They're the next logical step in the stepwise approach towards prevention.

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Because that would take supplies away from healthcare workers.

They'll catch up to that demand eventually. Then what? 

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