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Regardless how many trumptards trolling on internet and trying to cover up the true source of the outbreak in Canada, the data doesn't lie:

Canada's early COVID-19 cases came from the U.S. not China, provincial data shows

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OTTAWA — The global COVID-19 pandemic began in Wuhan, China, but data from Canada’s largest provinces show it was American travellers, not Chinese, who brought the deadly virus to our shores.

 

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As of April 17, Ontario has identified 1,201 cases of COVID-19 in people who had recently returned from some type of international travel. Of those cases, just five related to travel from China. By contrast, 404 were from people travelling from the United States.

The other top five destinations were the United Kingdom with 126 cases, cruise ships with 74 cases, Mexico with 68 and sunny Spain with 49 cases. Iran and Italy, two other hot spots for the virus, are also more heavily represented than China; travel from Iran was connected to 19 cases and there were seven cases from Italy.

In Quebec, 373 cases came from the United States and the province reports zero cases connected to travel from China. Travellers from France brought 151 cases to Quebec, 121 originated in Puerto Rico and 117 in Austria.

Alberta didn’t have a complete breakdown of its travel cases, but had only a single case connected to China, while fully 36 per cent of its travel-related cases are from the United States. British Columbia was unable to provide a breakdown by country.

 

These trolls also tried very hard to convince Canadian that Trump performed better than Trudeau on dealing with this coronavirus crisis, though what the data shows is quite the contrary. In fact, the only mistake which Canadian government made is it believed Trump's lies too long:

 

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It doesn't matter if more people got infected from the US, it was China that allowed this virus to spread throughout the world. Now why would we piss on our best ally to help us do something about it? If we don't support the US, we give a free pass to the Chinese sympathizers. I won't fall for that.

I don't even like Trump, but I'll support him, because Biden is compromised, and will just give the CCP a free pass.

My only critism of Trump, is that he's not hawkish enough on China.

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Biden is compromised?  

Oh boy.  

D-E-E-P-S-T-A-T-E again?  

Your only criticism of Trump is that he's not hawkish enough on China?  Nevermind the fact that he's basically leading the charge against complacency with China (one of the few areas I agree with him on), you don't find any other reasons to be criticizing him?  

 

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All of those hundreds of people coming in from the US are definitely the result of the US not securing their borders, but what is that saying about Canada - who also had similar intelligence reports DEEP into 2019 that there was a serious problem in China?   What's good for the goose is good for the gander:  Trump is no different in the screw-up department than the little Tur...I mean... ah.....TRUdeau.

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On 4/30/2020 at 9:02 PM, xul said:

Regardless how many trumptards trolling on internet and trying to cover up the true source of the outbreak in Canada, the data doesn't lie:

Canada's early COVID-19 cases came from the U.S. not China, provincial data shows

You're using the word Trumptard, and then belching out the dumbest, most conspiracy-laden post ever in the history of the internet.

Why should anyone believe that "covid was only brought back to Canada by Americans"? With all of the outright lies being spread about covid, it's origins, when the breakout started, what people knew about it, what precautions countries should take to protect their citizens, etc, you think anyone is going to believe "a lab somewhere figured out that covid came to Canada from Americans"????????? The WHO gave out the worst advice possible to the entire world at the start of a global pandemic. Unlikely theories just aren't going to fly right now.

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These trolls also tried very hard to convince Canadian that Trump performed better than Trudeau on dealing with this coronavirus crisis, though what the data shows is quite the contrary. In fact, the only mistake which Canadian government made is it believed Trump's lies too long:

You're lecturing us about trolling?????? LMAO!

Facts are facts, and there are indisputable facts on this topic that you are either unable to comprehend or you're just ignoring.

Quarantining is probably the single-most effective anti-viral strategy there is, until you have a vaccine. If you know that someone has a nasty virus the first thing that you do is isolate them from the public. The last thing that you'd do is set up treatment centers in the middle of a busy airport for people with a nasty virus, right? If you don't understand that then just give up dude.

Much like you quarantine individuals, another BASIC strategy for fighting a pandemic to block travel from infected populations. Eg, if there was a new pandemic breaking out in Madagascar, the last thing that any sensible nation would do is allow flights from Madagascar and let people from those flights just wander off into the general public without screening or quarantining. Only Trudeau has been proven to be stupid enough to do that. Trump has already proven that he's not that stupid. He even defied the WHO's advice when they said that we should all do that. 

So here's another indisputable fact for you: Trump took the basic anti-viral strategies and put them in place back when Trudeau was too stupid to lift a single finger and do anything. That was the case for a full 45 days. WTF makes you think that Trudeau had a better plan?????? Is doing absolutely nothing to stop a pandemic usually the best route? Just sand there with your thumb up your ass and hope for the best?

What do you think that Trudeau did better than Trump Xul? Name one action? You can't, and we both know that, so you want to stick to misleading stats.

Guess what Xul????? The US has 8x our population density, and 1/9th of our population rides the NYC subway EVERY DAY! The fact that they were hit harder than Canada is not surprising at all, unless you're a total _______ idiot. Did you really expect the folks in Spuzzum BC to get covid while the population of NYC didn't? Is that what it would take for you realize that doing nothing isn't the best strategy? 

 

Super-concerned passenger: "Hey maybe we should move our car off the train tracks. That freight train's coming pretty fast!"

Xul: "Stats prove that most cars that get hit by trains are actually racing to beat them. The last thing we want to do right now is drive really fast. I'm going to adopt the Trudeau method to avoid this train. Pass me the lube, my thumbs are huge!!!!"

 

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On 5/1/2020 at 7:42 AM, Moonbox said:

Biden is compromised?  

Joe Biden had official business to attend to in China so he and Hunter Biden flew to China together on AF2. FACT.

While they were there on that trip, Hunter Biden waltzed into THE COMMUNIST BANK OF CHINA and arranged $1,500,000,000.00 in business. $1.5 BILLION. If Hunter just did $1M in business on that trip, which is a lot of business to do with the Communist Bank of China, he'd have to go back one-thousand-four-hundred-and-ninety-nine more times to get to $1.5 Billion. That's another FACT!

If one of Trump's kids did that you'd recognize that there was a problem instantly and start shrieking about it, but your bias is giving your ignorance wings. 

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Oh boy.  

D-E-E-P-S-T-A-T-E again?   

OOooooh boy. Are you saying that the Bidens just mysteriously did $1.5 Billion in business with the Communist Bank of China for no apparent reason, while Joe was there conducting official US gov't business, and it has the appearance of randomness to you? Would you mind writing the following in your own words then, just to be clear: "I think that it's a silly deepstate conspiracy theory to assume that there was anything suspicious about Hunter Biden doing $1.5 Billion in business with the Communist Bank of China while he was in China with his dad, who was there working as the VPOTUS for the US government"? I just think it would be awesome for someone to finally come out in the open and state the obvious. People will call you "the genius".

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Joe Biden had official business to attend to in China so he and Hunter Biden flew to China together on AF2. FACT.

Tons of people had business in China. Some even had business in Russia, like your beloved orange God, and got lots of funding from there when banks stopped lending him money due to repeated bankruptcies - according to his own son.

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

Tons of people had business in China. Some even had business in Russia, like your beloved orange God, and got lots of funding from there when banks stopped lending him money due to repeated bankruptcies - according to his own son.

Trump was conducting the exact same kind of business in Russia that he had always conducted in the US. His kids are doing the same kinds of business that they always were, except for the fact that they're no longer buying real estate in foreign countries. 

Hunter Biden was creating a new "Chinese private equity fund". 

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On 5/1/2020 at 1:12 AM, ProudConservative said:

It doesn't matter if more people got infected from the US, it was China that allowed this virus to spread throughout the world. Now why would we piss on our best ally to help us do something about it? If we don't support the US, we give a free pass to the Chinese sympathizers. I won't fall for that.

I don't even like Trump, but I'll support him, because Biden is compromised, and will just give the CCP a free pass.

My only critism of Trump, is that he's not hawkish enough on China.

Do you mean that Ontario got 5 cases from China because China allowed the virus spreading into Canada, but ON got 404 cases from US because Trump contained the spreading well?

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13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're using the word Trumptard, and then belching out the dumbest, most conspiracy-laden post ever in the history of the internet.

Why should anyone believe that "covid was only brought back to Canada by Americans"? With all of the outright lies being spread about covid, it's origins, when the breakout started, what people knew about it, what precautions countries should take to protect their citizens, etc, you think anyone is going to believe "a lab somewhere figured out that covid came to Canada from Americans"????????? The WHO gave out the worst advice possible to the entire world at the start of a global pandemic. Unlikely theories just aren't going to fly right now.

You're lecturing us about trolling?????? LMAO!

Facts are facts, and there are indisputable facts on this topic that you are either unable to comprehend or you're just ignoring.

Quarantining is probably the single-most effective anti-viral strategy there is, until you have a vaccine. If you know that someone has a nasty virus the first thing that you do is isolate them from the public. The last thing that you'd do is set up treatment centers in the middle of a busy airport for people with a nasty virus, right? If you don't understand that then just give up dude.

Much like you quarantine individuals, another BASIC strategy for fighting a pandemic to block travel from infected populations. Eg, if there was a new pandemic breaking out in Madagascar, the last thing that any sensible nation would do is allow flights from Madagascar and let people from those flights just wander off into the general public without screening or quarantining. Only Trudeau has been proven to be stupid enough to do that. Trump has already proven that he's not that stupid. He even defied the WHO's advice when they said that we should all do that. 

So here's another indisputable fact for you: Trump took the basic anti-viral strategies and put them in place back when Trudeau was too stupid to lift a single finger and do anything. That was the case for a full 45 days. WTF makes you think that Trudeau had a better plan?????? Is doing absolutely nothing to stop a pandemic usually the best route? Just sand there with your thumb up your ass and hope for the best?

What do you think that Trudeau did better than Trump Xul? Name one action? You can't, and we both know that, so you want to stick to misleading stats.

Guess what Xul????? The US has 8x our population density, and 1/9th of our population rides the NYC subway EVERY DAY! The fact that they were hit harder than Canada is not surprising at all, unless you're a total _______ idiot. Did you really expect the folks in Spuzzum BC to get covid while the population of NYC didn't? Is that what it would take for you realize that doing nothing isn't the best strategy? 

 

Super-concerned passenger: "Hey maybe we should move our car off the train tracks. That freight train's coming pretty fast!"

Xul: "Stats prove that most cars that get hit by trains are actually racing to beat them. The last thing we want to do right now is drive really fast. I'm going to adopt the Trudeau method to avoid this train. Pass me the lube, my thumbs are huge!!!!"

 

Trumptard is the proper name to describe a person who used to believe whatsoever Trump says even if the evidence suggests otherwise.

If Trump wasn't stupid, how could US get 1 million cases and performed far worse than Canada? In your example, if there were only US and Madagascar 2 countries in the world,  ban flights from Madagascar might not be stupid. But if there are other countries, how could the ban work since everyone can get around the ban by coming back US from Madagascar via a third country?

If Trump's flights ban was an effective quarantine measure, how could you explain the 1 million cases in USA? Maybe the virus isn't made-in-China at all but American original?

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12 hours ago, xul said:

Trumptard is the proper name to describe a person who used to believe whatsoever Trump says even if the evidence suggests otherwise.

If Trump wasn't stupid, how could US get 1 million cases and performed far worse than Canada? In your example, if there were only US and Madagascar 2 countries in the world,  ban flights from Madagascar might not be stupid. But if there are other countries, how could the ban work since everyone can get around the ban by coming back US from Madagascar via a third country?

If Trump's flights ban was an effective quarantine measure, how could you explain the 1 million cases in USA? Maybe the virus isn't made-in-China at all but American original?

Your inability to think doesn't give you license to call people smarter than you names. 

Why does Australia, with almost the same population  and population density as Canada, have 1/25th the covid deaths?

Why does NYC, with 13,000x Canada's population density, and 1/9th of Canada's population riding the subway every day have more covid than Canada?

Both countries blocked flights at the same time from China.

THINK XUL! THINK!!!!!!!

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6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Your inability to think doesn't give you license to call people smarter than you names. 

Why does Australia, with almost the same population  and population density as Canada, have 1/25th the covid deaths?

Why does NYC, with 13,000x Canada's population density, and 1/9th of Canada's population riding the subway every day have more covid than Canada?

Both countries blocked flights at the same time from China.

THINK XUL! THINK!!!!!!!

I think it is you who should think this:

With almost the same population, population density, Chinese population ratio and distance to China, which difference made Australia having far less cases than Canada?

If you just have a look on a map you should know the answer-----Australia is far away from USA, this is why.....

As for NYC, should you compare it with some Canadian major cities like Toronto or Montreal instead with whole Canada? Tokyo has almost same population with NYC and it is far closer to China than NYC, but how many residents die in the city because of Covid-19?

NYC:            population=8.4 million, covid-19 cases=313k, death=18,000

Toronto:       population=3 million,   covid-19 cases=6.3k,  death=449

Tokyo:          population=9.3 million, covid-19 cases=4.5k, death=141

Hong Kong: population=7.4 million,  covid-19 cases=1k,   death=4

 

It seems if a city is closer to China, it tends to have less cases and death toll.....

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21 minutes ago, xul said:

It seems if a city is closer to China, it tends to have less cases and death toll.....

 

Except for the millions of cell phone accounts that were canceled in China.    Must be a coincidence.....

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/31/21-million-drop-in-China-s-mobile-users-suggests-higher-COVID-19-death-toll-Report

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45 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Except for the millions of cell phone accounts that were canceled in China.    Must be a coincidence.....

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/31/21-million-drop-in-China-s-mobile-users-suggests-higher-COVID-19-death-toll-Report

Even Wise BC2004 begins to believe in conspiracy theory...it remind me the punch line of Terminator Salvation: In times of desperation, people will believe what they want to believe...

It's just some poop people who canceled their phone numbers to save money since they had no job to do during the businesses shutdown.  

If CCP had the ability to stop a pandemic with such extent just within 2 months, your Americans really should import some of them into US to lead your nation to be great again....LOL

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2 hours ago, xul said:

I think it is you who should think this:

With almost the same population, population density, Chinese population ratio and distance to China, which difference made Australia having far less cases than Canada?

If you just have a look on a map you should know the answer-----Australia is far away from USA, this is why.....

As for NYC, should you compare it with some Canadian major cities like Toronto or Montreal instead with whole Canada? Tokyo has almost same population with NYC and it is far closer to China than NYC, but how many residents die in the city because of Covid-19?

NYC:            population=8.4 million, covid-19 cases=313k, death=18,000

Toronto:       population=3 million,   covid-19 cases=6.3k,  death=449

Tokyo:          population=9.3 million, covid-19 cases=4.5k, death=141

Hong Kong: population=7.4 million,  covid-19 cases=1k,   death=4

 

It seems if a city is closer to China, it tends to have less cases and death toll.....

You are so desperate to take advantage of NYC's sad death toll stat to make Trudeau look good. THEY HAVE 1/9th CANADA'S POPULATION RIDING THE SUBWAY EVERY DAY! They are not a comp for Canada.

Tokyo is another city that blocked flights from China. They are an example of travel bans working, so you should actually compare Tokyo's stats to Canada, not the US. They also told their citizens to wear masks, contrary to the WHO's recommendations. That's another reason to compare them to Canada and our god-damned village idiot. You're just digging yourself further into a hole dude. Tokyo and all the other cities that got through covid unscathed are PERFECT EXAMPLES OF WHY THE WHO'S TREACHEROUS ADVCIE NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED!

Hong Kong, like Shanghai and Beijing, were closed to travellers from Hubeii Province. They're examples of travel bans working. They should be compared to Canada's death toll. 

 

Australia is similar to Canada in pop and pop density, period. Australia blocked flights from Covidland, Canada did not. Canada had 25x as many covd deaths, period. People have to fly to Aus, just like they have to fly to Can. There's no difference.

California has a higher population than Canada. California is 1/20th the size of Canada.  California has half as many covid deaths as Canada. (55% to be exact). 

 

Trump's travel ban saved thousands of lives, and that's just counting the State of California. 

TRUDEAU'S FAILURE TO DO A SINGLE F'ING THING KILLED CANADIANS!

 

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On 5/3/2020 at 11:46 AM, WestCanMan said:

Joe Biden had official business to attend to in China so he and Hunter Biden flew to China together on AF2. FACT.

While they were there on that trip, Hunter Biden waltzed into THE COMMUNIST BANK OF CHINA and arranged $1,500,000,000.00 in business. $1.5 BILLION. If Hunter just did $1M in business on that trip, which is a lot of business to do with the Communist Bank of China, he'd have to go back one-thousand-four-hundred-and-ninety-nine more times to get to $1.5 Billion. That's another FACT!

Show me those "facts".  The steaming rubbish pile of qanon-style conspiracy theories loves to refer to "facts" and "confirmed/well-known" things that they never actually support.

I'm willing to listen.  Show me.  

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On 5/3/2020 at 11:55 AM, Argus said:

Tons of people had business in China. Some even had business in Russia, like your beloved orange God, and got lots of funding from there when banks stopped lending him money due to repeated bankruptcies - according to his own son.

Trump wanted to out do himself by bankrupting a nation. I think he has the potential, as we've seen, he'd good at it!

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4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Show me those "facts".  The steaming rubbish pile of qanon-style conspiracy theories loves to refer to "facts" and "confirmed/well-known" things that they never actually support.

I'm willing to listen.  Show me.  

A quick search. But depends on how much value you put into MSM's information.

If this is a conspiracy, then you may want to let NBC and NY Post know that. Looks like Biden conspired with China.  :D

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-s-trip-china-son-hunter-2013-comes-under-new-n1061051

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/why-china-is-rooting-for-joe-biden-to-win-2020-presidential-race/

 

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19 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Show me those "facts".  The steaming rubbish pile of qanon-style conspiracy theories loves to refer to "facts" and "confirmed/well-known" things that they never actually support.

I'm willing to listen.  Show me.  

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/trumps-claims-about-hunter-biden-in-china/
 


Is this the first time you ever heard of this topic, or did you have months to type a sentence into google and then glance at the top few items but you were too lazy? How does food even get into your face-hole? Next time click Google before you spew sandbox insults. 

And honestly, of all the people here, you think I’m the one who needs to be fact-checked? LMAO. Go read a few old threads. 
 

FYI the Bidens have a history of saying  “I didn’t know Hunter had that multi-million dollar job”, or that “he was involved in that multi-Billion dollar company”, or that “he was conducting business in that country when he flew on AF2 with me” (more than once). Another common refrain is “We never talked about it”. 
 

That’s why the picture of Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and Devon Archer golfing was such a big deal. Both Joe and Hunter had continually said that Joe didn’t know that Hunter was on the board of Burisma and that he had NEVER talked to him about Burisma. Once the picture surfaced of Devon Archer with those two, the Bidens admitted that they actually did talk about Hunter’s $30K/month job in the Ukraine, at Burisma, which was central to Joe Biden’s work in Ukraine, “a little bit”.  In any event, it was proof that the Bidens had been lying about Burisma the whole time. 
The fact that Joe did have that knowledge is a huge complication for Joe to explain why he pulled off his brash quid pro quo to fire the investigator who was looking into Burisma. That investigation died that day, and Joe Biden even said that “he put a solid guy“ into the spot vacated by the guy that he fired (the guy who isn’t investigating Burisma anymore). It’s in Joe’s famous quid pro quo video, right at the end.

 

China and Burisma both fit the exact same pattern: Joe is conducting official business in a foreign country in his capacity as the vice President of the United States, Hunter flies in there with him, “never talks to him” about any potential business that he might be doing there or any $30K/mo jobs he might have there, and Hunter comes out of the country with bags of cash.

I’m not saying that Hunter came out of China with $1.5 billion for himself on AF2 that day, I’m saying that he did a ridiculously large business deal there which eventually paid out for him in a massive way.
 

If you look at the video that Hunter Biden did recently with the media, he even admits that “If my dad wasn’t the vice president then I probably wouldn’t have served on any of those boards.”

Now you have the backbone of the story, you can flesh it out for yourself.

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13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You are so desperate to take advantage of NYC's sad death toll stat to make Trudeau look good. THEY HAVE 1/9th CANADA'S POPULATION RIDING THE SUBWAY EVERY DAY! They are not a comp for Canada.

Tokyo is another city that blocked flights from China. They are an example of travel bans working, so you should actually compare Tokyo's stats to Canada, not the US. They also told their citizens to wear masks, contrary to the WHO's recommendations. That's another reason to compare them to Canada and our god-damned village idiot. You're just digging yourself further into a hole dude. Tokyo and all the other cities that got through covid unscathed are PERFECT EXAMPLES OF WHY THE WHO'S TREACHEROUS ADVCIE NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED!

Hong Kong, like Shanghai and Beijing, were closed to travellers from Hubeii Province. They're examples of travel bans working. They should be compared to Canada's death toll. 

 

Australia is similar to Canada in pop and pop density, period. Australia blocked flights from Covidland, Canada did not. Canada had 25x as many covd deaths, period. People have to fly to Aus, just like they have to fly to Can. There's no difference.

California has a higher population than Canada. California is 1/20th the size of Canada.  California has half as many covid deaths as Canada. (55% to be exact). 

 

Trump's travel ban saved thousands of lives, and that's just counting the State of California. 

TRUDEAU'S FAILURE TO DO A SINGLE F'ING THING KILLED CANADIANS!

 

Where’d you go Xul?

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38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/trumps-claims-about-hunter-biden-in-china/

Is this the first time you ever heard of this topic, or did you have months to type a sentence into google and then glance at the top few items but you were too lazy? How does food even get into your face-hole? Next time click Google before you spew sandbox insults. 

 

You provided a link that debunks what you are claiming, goof. 

This is just like the nothing-burger story Trump and Giuliani tried to conjure up over Hunter's involvement in Ukraine.  There's DEFINITELY cronyism involved and the optics are poor, but this seems to be something that the House seems determined to maintain.  Corruption and cronyism in the US government is rampant (political insider trading is legal FFS), but if Joe Biden is compromised because of Hunter, what can we say about Trump himself with Russia, and let's not even get started with Jared Kushner, who's absolute scum.  

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21 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You provided a link that debunks what you are claiming, goof. 

This is just like the nothing-burger story Trump and Giuliani tried to conjure up over Hunter's involvement in Ukraine.  There's DEFINITELY cronyism involved and the optics are poor, but this seems to be something that the House seems determined to maintain.  Corruption and cronyism in the US government is rampant (political insider trading is legal FFS), but if Joe Biden is compromised because of Hunter, what can we say about Trump himself with Russia, and let's not even get started with Jared Kushner, who's absolute scum.  

Hunter Biden is part of a company that did bilions in business with the communist bank of China. Are you a total idiot or you just have the ability to not actually see what you don't want to see?

Hunter did fly to China and arrange "cozy informal sessions with dad". Are you a total idiot or you just have the ability to not actually see what you don't want to see?

Where does it say that Hunter isn't part of that group? That he didn't fly to China on AF2 and do business, including arranging meetings between key Chinese figures and his dad, the VPOTUS?

The fact that Hunter didn't profit (on the books) until basically the day his dad left office doesn't make it any better lol. 

And Ukraine was a nothing-burger? LMAO, you're a toady, hook-line-sinker. 

Both of these events corroborate each other, they both need to be investigated. Period. There's way more in both of these stories than there was in Russian and Ukrainian collusion.

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2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Where’d you go Xul?

He's waiting to get his next script from his bosses in the party before he can respond. Maybe his immediate handler died of Covid. Chinese communist party members die from Covid or henta virus too you know. Or maybe he was called back and is being replacd by another spokesperson. You may have exasperated him.

Also CTV  news has run the news story two days in a row.. now that  Asian orange head hornets are headed to Canada to  eat up all the honey bees. Is that a code for something? Sounds like Trump is responsible. the name orange head gave him away.

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

 

 

Both of these events corroborate each other, they both need to be investigated. Period. There's way more in both of these stories than there was in Russian and Ukrainian collusion.

They are both poo. Poo is poo. 

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1 hour ago, Rue said:

They are both poo. Poo is poo. 

So you don't think there's more to this that there was to Ukrainian or Russian collusion?

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