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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So what ?   Better to die as a free man/woman than live as sheep.

Have a happy death then.

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Just now, Argus said:

Have a happy death then.

 

Liberate....Educate....Mitigate...and Cremate.   

Any questions ?

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Liberate....Educate....Mitigate...and Cremate.   

Any questions ?

Yeah, what happened to the 'educate' part?

"I love the uneducated!" Donald Trump

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

It's funny how you like to talk about sheep. But there have been masses of sheep in your cities which have marched out against the lockdown largely based on some websites set up by a pair of gun nuts who think the NRA is too liberal, and goaded on by a few tweets from the fat orange guy. That's all it took to get people marching into your state capitals with guns demanding an end to the lockdown and blocking intersections outside hospitals to keep ambulances out.

You again miss the point.

American culture detests individual rights being curtailed by the state.

The very essence of American collective identity expressed through its laws and behaviour is a distrust of government and that is what you in fact  see being expressed.

People are defying the quarantine to express the underlying belief that individual rights and freedom should not be endangered by the state taking those rights and  freedoms away.

While you demand the state have more control over you, Americans demand the exact opposite. 

Americans are saying they wou li d  prefer to die than lose their freedom.

That is why Trump has never been more popular.  He openly challenges his own government. He plays the role of the rebel who distrusts government.

Our leader on the other hand reads fluff scripts. In fact the closest thing we have to Trump is Forf in Ontario who has been frank, open, candid about the failures of government over Covid 19 and appeals to individuals to make the right choice not have it forced on him and he had won over everyone balancing government and individual rights and initiatives. He turned himself into a polite kind Trump.

I think the longer we Canadians stay locked up the more likely we will defy the lock downs as well which is why our governments are trying to reopen but carefully.

 

 

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Rue said:

You engage in a deliberatey absurd  sounding assumption as to how a medical tracking app for Covid 19 might be abused to try bellittle any concern that there could be  abuse of Covid 19  obtained information.

Your exercise of assuming potential abuse of power will only occur in cirumstances you assume is subjective and  self-serving to your argument and not based on actual facts. Therefore your example is meaningless as it can not be proven or disproved. It is also illogical to assume actual abuses of power can only be speculated by you let alone using the circumstances you did.

As well assuming only the person tracked might be exposed to abuse of government is premature. A scenario of abusing medical information could  also possibly arise from using  the information obtained from one or more  sujects tracked to justify violating the rights of  another individual or individuals other then the ones tracked.

The deliberately absurd example was just that for a reason.  It was intended to indicate how absurd was the notion that this proposed app was going to be abused to your detriment.

I'd actually appreciate some non-absurd examples, if you have them.  Non-absurd and likely.

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

Yeah, what happened to the 'educate' part?

"I love the uneducated!" Donald Trump

 

Has nothing to do with Trump...except for the Trump haters like you.

Who will you focus your hate on once he is gone...back to "blacks" ?

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2 minutes ago, Rue said:

You again miss the point. American culture detests individual rights being curtailed by the state. The very essence of American collective identity expressed through its laws and behaviour is a distrust of government.

Which is why they're such a screwed up country, and why screwed up people like Donald Trump get elected to office. It's why they have so much violence and crime and poverty and no health care.

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

What you see are expressions of that underlying belief that individual rights should not be endangered by the state.

Unless those individual rights involve someone deciding to have an abortion, or have sex with someone they don't approve of in ways they don't approve of, or read something they don't approve of. Then they're all for government intervention.

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

They rebel when treated like sheep.

Most of the world would regard this as being treated as adults, not sheep.

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

America is not Canada. It loves and embraces militancy and its military. Its military us seen as a collective agent to fight totalitarian regimes and tyranny.

America has never had an issue befriending and defending totalitarian regimes and still doesn't.

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

Canada is about being told by government what to do and lining up.

You leave out the question and answer session, right, and the justification needed before we line up.

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

You want state control of the virus not that control coming from individual initiative and choice.

Because that works.

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

I think Americans know they eepose themselves to death from the virus by coming out, but they find the concept of freedom more important than death itself. In Canada we fear death and look to the state to save us.

Riiiight. I'll paraphrase a meme going around by an ex soldier which said something like "I spent six months in a tent in the desert for my country and you can't spend a month in your living room sucking down beer and watching TV."

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6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Has nothing to do with Trump...except for the Trump haters like you.

Who will you focus your hate on once he is gone...back to "blacks" ?

I don't have hatred. I have contempt, and it's usually directed at people who do really stupid shit that hurts others. Or people like you who justify it. And your continued trolling about blacks is just an indication you can't keep up with the discussion and want to turn it onto something else.

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4 hours ago, Rue said:

... your subjective desire  to control all of us because you believe a virus justifies it.  You show a complete ignorance of history and how easy it us for some of you to turn into dickhead fascists...

Your remarks here simply are not based in, logic, considering how you are now antagonizing the same Ashkenazim tenets' hub that you usually help @Argus esteem and support on this great website.

Yes.

Canada's PM & Parliament are just like USA Dems with respect to strictly obeying the same Globalist Leaders that both you and Argus often support on this website, therefore you are now contradicting the positions you usually support ---and I posted only because you needed someone to remind you that you were 'out of character' in here :)

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11 minutes ago, Argus said:

I don't have hatred. I have contempt, and it's usually directed at people who do really stupid shit that hurts others. Or people like you who justify it. And your continued trolling about blacks is just an indication you can't keep up with the discussion and want to turn it onto something else.

 

It was you who brought up "black crime"....your go to move.

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If the government wants phone information from the people, then it should ask people individually for consent, and financially compensate them. If a government were to explain well their reasons for wanting this information, then most people would gladly consent, especially if they get free money out of it. An authoritarian approach to obtaining such tracking information is not necessary.

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18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It was you who brought up "black crime"....your go to move.

Thanks for this MLW.com history lesson, for us recent members.

That helps explain, for me, why out of nowhere he despised my account so much...considering my constant uplifting of darkskinned negros and how much President Trump loves being around them lol

 

 

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If an app like this becomes mandatory and people will not want to install it If I may advise the government: there is a few people on this forum that will love a job as the enforcers.

I propose @eyeballas the general and @Right To Left as the colonel. The uniform has to be red with a hammer and sickle as the emblem :) Joking, not sure if socialists and communists have a sense of humor. 

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

You wouldn't know, not being a conservative.

I know you ain’t, and you don’t speak for me.

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35 minutes ago, Tdot said:

Thanks for this MLW.com history lesson, for us recent members.

That helps explain, for me, why out of nowhere he despised my account so much...considering my constant uplifting of darkskinned negros and how much President Trump loves being around them lol

 

 

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I've seen pictures like that before.  Sincere people with their eyes closed congregating around Trump, some touching him, others touching each other.

I would give tomorrow's breakfast to know what is actually in the orange one's mind on these occasions.

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17 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I know you ain’t, and you don’t speak for me.

You're a member of the Trump cult. Such people are not conservatives.

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53 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It was you who brought up "black crime"....your go to move.

It was you who brought up the 'snitches get stitches' bullshit attitude, black man.

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4 minutes ago, Argus said:

It was you who brought up the 'snitches get stitches' bullshit attitude, black man.

It was you who created this thread, promoting our great Ashkenazim bruh's tenets again, as usual...

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2020/march/israel-approves-mass-surveillance-on-civilian-phones-to-track-coronavirus

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1 minute ago, Tdot said:

It was you who created this thread, promoting our great Ashkenazim bruh's tenets again, as usual...

 

Go somewhere else and troll, Nazi boy.

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2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Go somewhere else and troll, Nazi boy.

 

Ironic...since it is "Nazis" who would love such a mandatory tracking app.    

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Ironic...since it is "Nazis" who would love such a mandatory tracking app.    

And South Koreans. Don't forget them. A nightmarish place to live, South Korea...

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Just now, Argus said:

And South Koreans. Don't forget them. A nightmarish place to live, South Korea...

 

So move to South Korea....problem solved !

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12 minutes ago, Argus said:

Go somewhere else and troll, Nazi boy.

Go somewhere else, Leviathan, so I can come shine the spotlight on you in that thread as well lol

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51 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

What is actually in the orange one's mind on these occasions.

 

Same thing in his mind, yesterday, when he admonished the White Supremacists that murdered the darkskinned negro jogger for no reason? Or maybe the same thing in his mind, 5 months ago, when he gleefully signed legislation that gave $250M/year to HBCU and negro farmers?? Same thing on his mind when he had his motorcade drive him to teenaged negros Conservative Youth's Summit, you think??

 

if you quit following the msm and it's zombies like @Pacifica77 and @Argus then you learn about the real Trump, by default.

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