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22 hours ago, scribblet said:

Three-quarters (73%) of Canadians said they now expect a “broad transformation of our society” as a result of the pandemic, with a majority saying they expect to see major social reforms that prioritize “health and well-being.”

There's a lot of these people on reddit with starry eyes thinking that Canada has limitless money if only they 'tax the rich'.  They want more money for health care, more money for senior care, a universal basic income so people don't have to work and will never be poor, more money for education - you name it. And all of it can be easily paid for just by 'taxing the rich'. Few seem interested in basic economics  or human nature, and there is a lot of sympathy for socialism, and government taking care of everyone and controlling everyone. The private sector isn't to be trusted, and certainly not in health care because - ICK! Profit motives!

If you wonder how a country descends to the level of debt we saw in Greece, this is it.

 

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Your pyjamas and rice bowl are in the mail.  The cost (plus shipping) will be deducted from your CERB benefit. The State thanks you for your patience during this transition.

Hoping to listen to the 'boy leader' continue in his soothing voice every morning . . . . a real nice way to start the day.

Not really.  The minions are the ones that ignore the science, and blindly follow government edicts that aren't based on science at all.  Now quick, hide under your bed for the next 3 months, I see th

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Not really.  The minions are the ones that ignore the science, and blindly follow government edicts that aren't based on science at all.  Now quick, hide under your bed for the next 3 months, I see the virus coming around the corner!  You know, the one with a 0.3 - 0.1% fatality rate for people under 50.  Run and hide the sky is falling the sky is falling! :lol:

So people over 50 don't work? Do you not grasp why shutdowns happened? 

I think you're the one ignoring the science. 

Multiple places in developed economies were brought to the brink of a healthcare collapse. Places where death rates ended up being closer to 10%. They didn't have enough places to put the bodies at times. 

In order to avoid that fate places where the infection rate had yet to peak closed down their economies temporarily. Most are currently opening up now. 

To downplay the seriousness of this infection to place your head firmly under some sand. 

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Just now, Argus said:

There's a lot of these people on reddit with starry eyes thinking that Canada has limitless money if only they 'tax the rich'.  They want more money for health care, more money for senior care, a universal basic income so people don't have to work and will never be poor, more money for education - you name it. And all of it can be easily paid for just by 'taxing the rich'. Few seem interested in basic economics  or human nature, and there is a lot of sympathy for socialism, and government taking care of everyone and controlling everyone. The private sector isn't to be trusted, and certainly not in health care because - ICK! Profit motives!

If you wonder how a country descends to the level of debt we saw in Greece, this is it.

 

To be fair, our friends down south exhibit this behaviour far more than we do. 

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

A lot of the new normals we're experiencing should probably stay. 

A lot less commuting is required for society to function.

A lot more commerce can be done online

Commercial Real Estate is going to crater. 

Something these people longing for more work-from-home have failed to consider is that if you can call in your work from the suburbs someone else can call it in from India for a quarter the salary.

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4 minutes ago, Shady said:

Not really.  The minions are the ones that ignore the science, and blindly follow government edicts that aren't based on science at all.  Now quick, hide under your bed for the next 3 months, I see the virus coming around the corner!  You know, the one with a 0.3 - 0.1% fatality rate for people under 50.  Run and hide the sky is falling the sky is falling! :lol:

The sky looks just fine out my window Shady  clear, blue and sunny. No minions or zombies in sight, my grandkids are up for a visit...we're building a fort with a tire swing today.

 

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

Something these people longing for more work-from-home have failed to consider is that if you can call in your work from the suburbs someone else can call it in from India for a quarter the salary.

That has already been a reality for more than a decade now. I've dealt a with offshore workforce in multiple workplaces for approaching 10 years. There's a diminished level of quality you get from people who don't naturally understand North American culture. 

Getting people offshore to do a job properly is actually a skill. You have to be very clear and concise, leave little room for assumption. It's a task in itself. 

Also companies who do this also have to realize that if everyone outsources their work, who will be around to buy their product in the future. 

People can tele-commute for day-to-day tasks but be able to come into the office when required. But not 5 days a week 8 hours a day. That idea of of a work place built around a daily commute is somewhat outdated. 

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The sky looks just fine out my window Shady  clear, blue and sunny. No minions or zombies in sight, my grandkids are up for a visit...we're building a fort with a tire swing today.

 

Dammit you better have gotten permission from your government beforehand!

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15 minutes ago, Shady said:

Dammit you better have gotten permission from your government beforehand!

It definitely encouraged us to expand our bubbles and for families and especially grandkids and grandparents to get together.  It was simple encouragement not government permission or edict.  Why do you always act like you think we're in China or something? 

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32 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Because that's all that matters...no matter what the issue is.   

Just an observation that fiscal responsibility when it comes to Federal politics doesn't seem to be a priority for anyone, of any political stripe. The Tea Party is very quiet about the deficits Trump has run throughout his mandate. 

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On 5/14/2020 at 1:42 PM, scribblet said:

This is from the propaganda arm of the NDP, but I'm sure many liberals will feel the same.   Will, or should this result in a minimum income and if so how will it be paid for.  

I agree there needs to be an overhaul of LTC homes but should they all be nationalized, should private care homes be taken over by gov't, cos we all know how well gov't does in these things.

I do not see how this can happen in the near future as we will be in for higher taxes and yes, severe austerity from the gov't, but will Trudeau reign in the spending as he will have to?

 

https://pressprogress.ca/big-majority-expects-major-social-reforms-and-transformation-of-canadian-society-after-covid-19/

Most Canadians agree the pandemic reveals ‘ugly truths’ about Canada and expect major social reforms focused on ‘health and well-being’

 The next federal election could shape up to be a battle over what the “new normal” in Canadian society should look like after COVID-19.

According to new polling from EKOS, a clear majority of Canadians agree that the pandemic has exposed “ugly truths” about how workers and the elderly have been treated in Canada under the old status quo.

Three-quarters (73%) of Canadians said they now expect a “broad transformation of our society” as a result of the pandemic, with a majority saying they expect to see major social reforms that prioritize “health and well-being.”

I prefer social programs done by arm's length non profit organizations when possible not government.

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7 minutes ago, Boges said:

Just an observation that fiscal responsibility when it comes to Federal politics doesn't seem to be a priority for anyone, of any political stripe. The Tea Party is very quiet about the deficits Trump has run throughout his mandate. 

 

True, but you didn't point at Japan, which actually is much further down the road, even before the pandemic.    And that's because your singular focus is always south, regardless of Trump.    It's the Canadian way.

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

True, but you didn't point at Japan, which actually is much further down the road, even before the pandemic.    And that's because your singular focus is always south, regardless of Trump.    It's the Canadian way.

My point is that every government does it. I'm sorry for pointing out the most obvious offender. 

But they hypocrisy of it is more palpable with the US because they pretend to be a more conservative country. 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

My point is that every government does it. I'm sorry for pointing out the most obvious offender. 

But they hypocrisy of it is more palpable with the US because they pretend to be a more conservative country. 

 

No, you are not sorry...and that's OK.    America is the foil that helps Canada define itself.

The U.S. is more conservative than Canada...Canada loves to tell us so.

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I think this will pass life will go on, and in 2 weeks most Canadians will have forgotten why we should revamp how we  house and care for the elderly, how our back up medical supplies where thrown in the dump marked time expired , with no new stock procured, how we are far to dependent on China or other single sources for much or our basic needs, like medical supplies, medication, chemicals to make testing kits etc....the list is long.....and if we judge this nation by past history come next election we will be on the next new thing....Shit even the liberals have moved on from climate change, and onto banning fire arms, this week is a whole new week, and bets on whats next....

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On 5/15/2020 at 9:30 AM, eyeball said:

The sky looks just fine out my window Shady  clear, blue and sunny. No minions or zombies in sight, my grandkids are up for a visit...we're building a fort with a tire swing today.

 

The Visa bills always arrive AFTER Christmas.

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The financial situation is pretty grim, but I doubt Trudeau would do what Paul Martin did, he'll just continue spending.  Watch out for a new 'corona tax'.

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On 5/15/2020 at 12:34 PM, Boges said:

That has already been a reality for more than a decade now. I've dealt a with offshore workforce in multiple workplaces for approaching 10 years. There's a diminished level of quality you get from people who don't naturally understand North American culture. 

Getting people offshore to do a job properly is actually a skill. You have to be very clear and concise, leave little room for assumption. It's a task in itself. 

Also companies who do this also have to realize that if everyone outsources their work, who will be around to buy their product in the future. 

People can tele-commute for day-to-day tasks but be able to come into the office when required. But not 5 days a week 8 hours a day. That idea of of a work place built around a daily commute is somewhat outdated. 

I’m very interested in seeing what the new hybrid of working from home and going to work will be.  I’m all for less hours at the office if that means less hours of work overall.  I’m dead against it if it means working just as much as or more than in the past from home.  I’ve felt that recently, that I’m on the clock too much at home.  There has to be a separation of home life from work, even when we work from home.

I think that through automation and telecommunications/online platforms we can probably retain as much production and productivity in a 30 hour work week as in a 40 hour work week. Distance learning/work should mean a 6 hour work day if we play it smart.  When we start to lose steam mid-afternoon, that’s a good time to take a walk, play with the kids, make a nice home cooked dinner, and maybe do a little more work as needed, but generally enjoy the long evening reading and doing creative projects.

People will be happier and live longer, healthier lives with less stress on the environment and themselves, especially if hours are a bit staggered, with work start times varying from, say, 8:00 am to 10:00 am.  Spread out the rush hours.  I actually think commercial real estate will do fine, because having smaller groups with social distancing in the workplace means using more space, not less.  

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5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

People will be happier and live longer, healthier lives with less stress on the environment and themselves,

You people really are a bunch of idyllic dreamers, aren't you. You are foolish to think that the world will be a better place after "the virus". Once we get the green light, this stuff will be cranked up to 1000. There's a ton of backlogged work to be done. You'll have to put in your full day at the office and work from home on evening and weekends to catch up. Don't forget, now you owe them big time, government and employer sustained you for months and they will be calling for their pound of flesh, plus interest on their losses so make it a pound and a half.

Don't like it? Buh bye. There's 10M desperate dipsticks waiting in line waiting for your spot. You should be thankful you have a job at all. On your knees, punk.

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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You people really are a bunch of idyllic dreamers, aren't you. You are foolish to think that the world will be a better place after "the virus". Once we get the green light, this stuff will be cranked up to 1000. There's a ton of backlogged work to be done. You'll have to put in your full day at the office and work from home on evening and weekends to catch up. Don't forget, now you owe them big time, government and employer sustained you for months and they will be calling for their pound of flesh, plus interest on their losses so make it a pound and a half.

Don't like it? Buh bye. There's 10M desperate dipsticks waiting in line waiting for your spot. You should be thankful you have a job at all. On your knees, punk.

I disagree.  The calm voices of reason who understand that we have been occupying a fake Breton-Woods economy all along, that money is fake and only knowledge is power, understand that by working smarter we can have better lives with a good standard of living.  Those who can’t adjust due to fear and slave mentality will suffer and die, probably due to stress rather than the Coronavirus.  Don’t believe the hype.  

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I disagree.  The calm voices of reason who understand that we have been occupying a fake Breton-Woods economy all along, that money is fake and only knowledge is power, understand that by working smarter we can have better lives with a good standard of living.  Those who can’t adjust due to fear and slave mentality will suffer and die, probably due to stress rather than the Coronavirus.  Don’t believe the hype.  

If this is your proposed future reality, let's hope it's the alternate one. It sounds like more death on the way to me. Plus a rather callous attitude for those who can't adjust. There are lots of reasons why people cannot adjust.

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On 5/15/2020 at 1:10 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because that's all that matters...no matter what the issue is.   

Take responsibility. You and Trump I personally blame. Shame on you 2. I also blame Ryan Seacrest. What an annoying homo sapiens.

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I disagree.  The calm voices of reason who understand that we have been occupying a fake Breton-Woods economy all along, that money is fake and only knowledge is power, understand that by working smarter we can have better lives with a good standard of living.  Those who can’t adjust due to fear and slave mentality will suffer and die, probably due to stress rather than the Coronavirus.  Don’t believe the hype.  

Well then...rather than have them stress out, shoot them then. You save money and needless suffering. Actually bulletsxare expensive. Give them cyanide mixed with a sedative. 

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18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

If this is your proposed future reality, let's hope it's the alternate one. It sounds like more death on the way to me. Plus a rather callous attitude for those who can't adjust. There are lots of reasons why people cannot adjust.

You’re the one advocating getting back to work as soon as possible. Which is it?  Getting back to work sooner means essential changes to enhance public safety.  I believe that we can do this at the same time that we rethink the meaning of work and change work to better suit humanity going forward.  We will need to be adaptable, light on our feet, and have our priorities straight.  Nature gives us no choice but to adapt.  No matter how you slice it there will be deaths.  We need to proceed wisely.  A crisis is a terrible opportunity to waste.  

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