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15 hours ago, jacee said:

So ... you're suggesting taking away constitutional rights of freedom of expression, association and assembly? 

Or that are they only for white people? 

Clarify ... ?

I find it very interesting that you intentionally misread another person's post.  Why is it so hard for you to understand exactly what is written instead of making lame claims about taking away constitutional rights where none was suggested. 

I realize from having read your posts that you have an agenda that excludes comments which do not fall within your limited guidelines but please dear use your brain when replying lest you be thought uneducated and unable to discern what is really being stated.

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16 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

Diversity in all things except opinion to quote a comment on the CBC website.

People on the left don't understand that by going this route they create extremism. Is like a never ending cycle. 

There are a few people on this forum that have opinions that are out there (more on the right I might add) but I think is very good to allow people an environment to express their views because if we don't, those same people will go underground and become extreme.

Suppression of thought is the worst thing you can do to a human being. It goes against every value of our democratic system.

Welcome to the new Canada as old man Trudeau once said when he won his election in 1980. And we can easily see today that we are now living in a new communist kind of Canada today where there can be no doubt about as to what that old commie had in mind for Canada, and where certain leftist liberal speech will only be allowed. That is how things are done in communist countries. Things will now be done the communist way of doing things or it will be the gulag or the firing squad for you. Our dear comrade leader kid Trudeau is sure acting like he is a member of some communist party. He went and bought off our Canadian media and has now full control of the Canadian media which we now can call Pravda. Canada is not a free country anymore. It is fast becoming a communist dictatorship with comrade kid Trudeau at the helm. Just about all of our politicians are now becoming diktators. This china virus has shown us all just that. You better stay home, practice social distancing, and wear a mask.If not we will have to punish you big time. We are the boss now. Live with it. Just saying. ;)

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17 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

Diversity in all things except opinion to quote a comment on the CBC website.

People on the left don't understand that by going this route they create extremism. Is like a never ending cycle. 

There are a few people on this forum that have opinions that are out there (more on the right I might add) but I think is very good to allow people an environment to express their views because if we don't, those same people will go underground and become extreme.

Suppression of thought is the worst thing you can do to a human being. It goes against every value of our democratic system.

Everyone is inherently prone to making negative stereotypes about others because our brains are designed (wired) to take exterior stimuli that bombards us at a rapid pace and try organize it. This process of taking otherwise random or unrelated external stimuli/information and turning it into  recognizable objects or patterns is called "apophenia" and as we put recognizable objects or patterns into sub-categorieswe call itpareidolia. A racist taks this phenomena and then uses their subjective perception of the diifference in physical characteristics of others as compared to themself to define the other and assign that other identical values they also assign to others who they think look the same. This is not surprising since all homo sapiens being primates and therefore pack animals first learned to identify other packs by different physical characteristics.  However most of us now have evolved past assuming others have the same values or believes simply because they have the same skin tone or lip size or hair texture. We have learned such characteristics are secondary and immaterial to determining our similarity with others and it is in fact dna and blood type that determine our similarity.

In forensic psychology and forensic psychiatry, we try decipher the thinking processes behind the motives for a criminal act or a perceived wrongdoing. So in the case of the police officer who put his knee on the victim, we decipher the cognitive processes leading up to, during and after the decision to knee the other person. In so doing we analyze the motives for the behaviour. What was inescapable in the video was the lack of emotion in the police officer characteristic of a desensitised individual.

Having been part of this process I can tell you in most abuse cases we  find the abuser became desensitised to the person they  abused based on "familiarity" or negative assumptions stored in their mind based on interactions with  that same person or others similar to that same person they abused. We also have found when an abuser first abuses they might feel some remorse but the more they abuses the easier it is for them to abuse until it becomes a reflex action with no necessary planning or premeditation.  With those we call sociopaths they are born with no ability to feel any empathy for others so engaging in physical harm of others is done without any feeling. Its an action with no feeling attached. Trying to differentiate a sociopath from a desensitised individual can be difficult as both may show zero signs of emotion when they abuse.

Next to say the violence exhibited  by the police officer was  only stimulated by phenomena other than skin colour because other officers also attack people of their own skin colour is illogical. The two acts although both abusive would have beentriggered by a series of  different thought processes and ensuing reflex actions unique to each act of abuse. Every act of abuse has its own unique characteristics. The fact is may have common characteristics to other crimes does not make them the same or motivated the same way.

What we know is  current case is this officer had negative assumptions about this individual prior to his arrest. So for someone to rule out part of the officer's abuse process was triggered by negative familiarity with blacks is absurd. It would be impossible not to be. We all will use the prevailing physical characteristics of an individual to define them whether we attack them or vice versa. That would be a reflex reaction process triggered so quicky we would not be aware of it at the time of the intense moment or incident.

Finally to be able to abuse someone one would have to have entered a head space where they see that person as less than human. That is what densitisation is. It happens over a period of time from repeat exposure to others with similar behaviours and characteristics than then breeds familiarity and then in the case of negative assumptions triggered from similar feelings to past persons with the same characteristics a lack of remorse, guilt, or compassion. The tape shows a police offer in a classic state of desenitisation. He was able for 9 minutes a man pleading with him to stop.

This is how ordinary men become monsters. Its not hard.  ll you have to do is  give them Give them unlimited power over others.

You all remember the test with the students asked to push buttons. On the other side was a person who each time a new button was pushed screamed louder. The vast majority of people when told to keep increasing the pain did just that simply by being asked.

 

 

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1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

A. No, he wasn't. 

B. Same with the people you are whining about being cancelled.

He was a backup quarterback who had lost his ability to pass. And there is a difference between a public protest in uniform, at work, in front of your company's angry customers, and one done on your own time.

And Stockwell Day wasn't protesting. He was asked a question on a show where you are supposed to give your opinions and responded honestly. And 90% of the people of this country would likely have agreed with what he said.

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On 6/4/2020 at 2:36 PM, Rue said:

Trying to differentiate a sociopath from a desensitised individual can be difficult as both may show zero signs of emotion when they abuse.

That was a great read. Thanks. In regards to this: Trying to differentiate a sociopath from a desensitised individual can be difficult as both may show zero signs of emotion when they abuse.

Are there any variables that can be used to determine if indeed someone is a sociopath and not just desensitized ?

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29 minutes ago, Rue said:

What we know is  current case is this officer had negative assumptions about this individual prior to his arrest. So for someone to rule out part of the officer's abuse process was triggered by negative familiarity with blacks is absurd. It would be impossible not to be. We all will use the prevailing physical characteristics of an individual to define them whether we attack them or vice versa. That would be a reflex reaction process triggered so quicky we would not be aware of it at the time of the intense moment or incident.

 

Finally to be able to abuse someone one would have to have entered a head space where they see that person as less than human. That is what densitisation is. It happens over a period of time from repeat exposure to others with similar behaviours and characteristics than then breeds familiarity and then in the case of negative assumptions triggered from similar feelings to past persons with the same characteristics a lack of remorse, guilt, or compassion. The tape shows a police offer in a classic state of desenitisation. He was able for 9 minutes a man pleading with him to stop.

Here's what we know. He was arrested routinely. We see this in the first video. Then in the second video, after being put in the back of the car, he fought with police, likely because he was on meth and fentanyl, as per the coroner's report and was in a state of excited delirium. Police then dragged him out of the car and pinned him down until he stopped fighting. Everything so far is according to how things should be. Now where things go wrong is that they kept him pinned on his stomach (chest) longer than they should have as they waited for a truck to come get him. To suggest he intended to kill the man is ludicrous. Whatever racism or anger people might choose to ascribe to him he was in front of a crowd holding cameras. He clearly did not think he was doing anything which would get him into trouble. Which meant he did not think any harm would befall Floyd. Even 'monsters' have a sense of self-preservation, after all.

He was not putting much weight on Floyd's neck. We know this because if he had been then Floyd would have passed out within a minute or two. The problem lay with the pressure on Floyd's chest. What we don't know is what training he and the others had in positional asphyxia, and especially the heightened dangers given excited delirium (and a bad heart). I suspect he had done this many times before without harm befalling the arrestee and thought this was routine. He was certainly acting like it was routine.

I believe this, like similar cases against other arrestees both in Minneapolis and elsewhere, has far more to do with poor training than racism.

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6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What I was suggesting is taking away the national stages we provide, like an entire month devoted to just LGBTQ issues... and treat everyone the same. 

How will we know when we get there? 

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4 hours ago, Argus said:

Yes, it actually is. It's a denunciation of the entire country, but of course, since progressive never think non-whites can be racist, it's a denunciation of White Canada. White Canada, which has, over the decades, permitted millions of non-whites to immigrate here, and welcomed them, then gets denounced by these same people as racists. Well how about if these visible minorities just pick up their shit and go back where they came from? I'm sure the people of India, Pakistan, Iran, China, Malaysia, Somalia, Jamaica and Nigeria are far more enlightened.

What is systemic racism? Name it. Give me examples. Or shut up about it.

Bullshit. I'm not going to take your complaints about some kind of magical, mystical nationwide systemic racism at face value. Show it. Prove it.

When did you last experience discrimination, harassment or abuse solely because of the colour of your skin? 

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4 minutes ago, jacee said:

When did you last experience discrimination, harassment or abuse solely because of the colour of your skin? 

People usually don't even know when they've experienced discrimination, because it's rarely done to their face. When you don't get a job or aren't picked from a pool what was the reason? You don't know. Maybe the hiring manager was east Indian and wanted another East-Indian. Maybe they were Chinese and gave preference to another Chinese person. Who knows?

Harassment? People don't harass me. I doubt they harass Michele Obama either. Harassment and abuse is uncommon at our age.

But almost everyone has been insulted and attacked many times during their lives. And often that's simply over some component of how they look; too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny, bad skin, big nose, big ears, bad hair, bald. People pick on something about a person's looks when they want to insult them. And if they're an asshole and looking to bully or harass someone they'll find it. And it's often based on what they perceive is the willingness and ability of someone being targeted to fight back.

Who is more likely to be harassed walking down the street, a skinny white guy with buck teeth and thick glasses, or a muscular, six foot four, black man?

 

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35 minutes ago, jacee said:

 

When did you last experience discrimination, harassment or abuse solely because of the colour of your skin? 

Yesterday, when Trudeau said we were all racist. 

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2 hours ago, jacee said:

How will we know when we get there? 

When the left and right can sit at the same table and debate topics without losing there minds, the left needs to grow thicker skin, and the right needs to shed some layers. Thats being said you can relax because it will never happen, your proof of that, the left is always jumping to conclusions, or reading into something that is not there or was not even mentioned.. your not alone right has it's close minded people as well.. Sometimes we just have to shut up and listen for a minute...

This county is way to divided, along dozens of gaps,  with the left playing upon that. Take the west for instance, Quebec, native issues, and the list goes on and on....we can't solve these problems how can we tackle racism, or the tougher issues.

 

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3 hours ago, jacee said:

 

When did you last experience discrimination, harassment or abuse solely because of the colour of your skin? 

I always felt that after Canada re-elected Justin Trudeau, the black-faced PM, it was a condemnation of Canadians, that we accepted him for it. He has the audacity now to tell us we are a racist nation. He is right.

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21 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

How do you cancel a football player? Ask Colin Kaepernick, hypocrite 

Complete nonsense.  If he was good enough, teams would sign him.  But nobody thinks he's good enough to also deal with the baggage from their fan base if they added him to a team.  Not to be mention he pulled a hissy fit and changed the venue of his workout for NFL executives 3 hours before it was scheduled.  He just wants the publicity.  

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20 hours ago, taxme said:

 You better stay home, practice social distancing, and wear a mask.If not we will have to punish you big time. We are the boss now. Live with it. Just saying. ;)

Facemask now akin to demonstrating obedience to the state. Those who refuse to wear one are deemed subversives, kooks. Potentially they may even be vaccine criminals.

Off to work soon, as every day now. No mask worn, ever. They will not get me to wear one. Neither will I ever wear a swastika armband...

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  If he was good enough, teams would sign him.  

You should just debate with yourself. If those poor cancelled people victimized by the fascist left were good enough, then....

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On 6/4/2020 at 9:22 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Of course this isn't true, but why do you think it's true ?

It is true to some extent, ask the CBC or the Gov  when they say whites need not apply.   

In the early stages of EE they were very aggressive in hiring and keeping quotas,  and lowering standards,  I remember the Ktchener fire dept. Doing that,doubt I would find s link now. 

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47 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

You should just debate with yourself. If those poor cancelled people victimized by the fascist left were good enough, then....

You keep supporting a guy that wears socks depicting cops as pigs, and who wears Fidel Castro t-shirts to Miami press conferences as an f*ck you to Cuban immigrants.  Stay classy.

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AND WE HAVE SOME WINNERS! 

Denial of racism among Canadians.

Denial of racism among Canadian police.

Denial of racism in the death of George Floyd. 4

MLW is STILL the racist winner of Canadian discussion boards! 

Cue the deniers 

Q?  If white supremacists truly believe in the supremacy of the white race, the dangers of inter-mingling races, the threats of multiculturalism to the white race ... why do they deny their own racism? Do they not have faith in their own ideology? 

Always a mystery! 

 

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8 minutes ago, scribblet said:

It is true to some extent, ask the CBC or the Gov  when they say whites need not apply.   

They don't. 

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3 minutes ago, jacee said:

AND WE HAVE SOME WINNERS! 

Denial of racism among Canadians.

Denial of racism among Canadian police.

Denial of racism in the death of George Floyd. 4

MLW is STILL the racist winner of Canadian discussion boards! 

Cue the deniers 

Q?  If white supremacists truly believe in the supremacy of the white race, the dangers of inter-mingling races, the threats of multiculturalism to the white race ... why do they deny their own racism? Do they not have faith in their own ideology? 

Always a mystery! 

 

Complete nonsense.  Nobody is denying racism in Canada.  They're just denying the significance of it.  Like it or not, Canada just isn't that racist.  Regardless, racism occurs everywhere in the world that humans exist.  Furthermore, there's no evidence that racism was to blame for George Floyd, considering white people have been killed in the same way.  Bad policing practices is most likely to blame.  In order to prove racism, one must be able to read the minds of the officers involved.   However, if somebody finds Canada uncomfortable to live in, nobody is forced to live here.  They're free to move to another country in the world where they'd be better off.

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20 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

That was a great read. Thanks. In regards to this: Trying to differentiate a sociopath from a desensitised individual can be difficult as both may show zero signs of emotion when they abuse.

Are there any variables that can be used to determine if indeed someone is a sociopath and not just desensitized ?

Yah the profilers would say yes but for you and me no. Also some psychiatrists miss the sociopath's true personality disorder completely. You see sociopatths mimmick us. Because they have no feelings they can play back our own feelings when we talk to them.. they feed our feelings back to us to manipulate us. In that sense they keep shape shifting to look like us. So unless you are a really well trained expert on sociopaths you can easily misdiagnose them and get suckered in to believe them.

 Oh let us face it profilers and psychiatrists can be wrong. You know with some it takes months if not years to rule out other possible illnesses. Many psychiatric illnesses have attached neurological or physical disorders that must be dealt with as well. A tiny scar on your brain, a very minuscule stroke killing off a tiny portion of your brain, a common cold virus or ear infection can trigger hallucinations or problem thoughts in some. A slight hormonal imbalance or irregular sugar level, blood pressure, heat beat, with some can do it.

Usually the best homicide cops can pick up a liar, but they will tell you everyone lies. So with them they redirect the lies back in questions  to what the person is avoiding in each response and wait to see what happens in the responses. Many murderers want to get caught. Then you have others like say Paul Bernardo, Charlie Manson, they don't care.

A classic sociopath was Karla Halmoka.  

A guy like Michael Jackson like many serial sex molesters are not sociopaths. They do manipulate feelings of others like sociopaths, the difference is their subconscious sooner or later wants to surface and get caught so they sabotage themselves. 

Now this cop in Minnesota...probably what emerges is that  he had both negative familiarity memories stored up with past encounters with both Floyd and other people like him black or white and also other negative familiarities associated with blacks, and other  non black characteristics.

In a new situation, any of those familiar memories are triggered because something in the moment reminded him of them. It is a reflex response we all engage in and distorts what we see.

Women call  somevof this phenomena intuition...but it can be a smell, a bone structure of the face that triggers a past memory to govern how we react in the moment. Women have a different brain structure than men so can pick up on or even  smell nonverbal things faster. Its a built in necessity from their role of looking after sick children, nursing  and anticipating prey trying to get their babies to eat. We men have a brain designed to help us hunt prey or run from bigger animals. These primal differences still remain.

It does not mean we are a slave to them but it helps explain why our brains developed differently. One is not better than the other. Both are equally as useful or inefficient.

Also our environment and constant evolution literally changes the structure of our brain which then passes it on in the DNA. A new thought that works and you use stores in your brain. It's like a new branch on a tree. People with thick clusters of neuro transmission pathways develop them from thinking. The more developed they get the more flexible and open minded the person is to trying approaches to do things.

Sociopaths have no feelings but most of them are high IQ and are freed from emotions that would otherwise slow down the development of certain thoughts they then call on to control a situation.  In this definition intelligence is designed by the amount of stored lessons you call on to handle an issue. If the memories are used to creativevpoditive solutions we call them adaptive, if negative, we then call them maladaptive.

Emotions can serve as a restraint to prevent negative thoughts but can also fuel them. So some sociopaths become heads of organizations, others isolated loners, some criminals some what we call geniuses or demons.

That cop looked completely out of it. He may have been on a medication, drunk, classically desensitivized, I.e., burned out. 

If he was a sociopath I would be surprised. The fact that the other 3 were so oblivious seems to suggest a burn out mentality on a larger scale in that unit or department. 

The problem is police departments today are burned out. The expectations on them to be many different things at the same and remain flexible, fluid and open minded in a situation of threat may be as unrealistic as expecting certain blacks or other groups of people to be the same way.

I also suspect much of the rioting is serving as an opportunity to release pent up anxiety over covid as well. When you take offf a straight jacket there can be an immediate burst of energy. It is like taking the leash off your dog to run.

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On 6/4/2020 at 10:23 AM, Argus said:

The United States is not racist. There was no racism involved in the death of George Floyd. Everyone simply sprang to that conclusion in a knee-jerk reaction because the cop was white and he was black. Cops have killed white people before like this and no one paid attention.

 

You're willfully ignorant.  For the same crimes, police are more likely to stop, arrest and use force against black people despite them being a significantly smaller segment of the population.  Multiple studies of several municipalities, including Ferguson, show that whites are more likely to possess contraband during a police stop, yet blacks are more likely to be stopped, searched and arrested for it.

For the same crimes, blacks receive harsher sentencing and are more likely to receive the death penalty.  Blacks are more likely to be shot and killed by police, whether armed or unarmed.  The data is there, you just refuse to see it.

And yes, Canada has its share of problems.  You guys seem to have some *real* issues with indigenous people--Canadians seem to hate them in the same way that Americans hate blacks--but you are much less violent people. 

All the same, your statement is motivating to continue to relentlessly beat racism and racists out of public policy and out of society.  This must not be tolerated that we may have a future without this kind of inequity.  More importantly, I don't want my children to live in a world where jackboots can kill them for looking at them sideways.  If you want to live in a place like that, you should look at residency in Russia and China.

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9 hours ago, jacee said:

They don't. 

Yes the do, this  is one , they also reserve jobs for only indigenous  people.  This is an older one . Not just government  either.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/whites-need-not-apply/article750858/

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/turns-out-there-is-discrimination-in-hiring-professors-but-not-against-minorities

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-canadian-forces-jobs-where-only-women-need-apply

and this 

 

 

 

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Of course Argus would deny that there is racism in Canada.

This is the same guy who calls a segment of immigrants Goat Herders and he thinks there is nothing wrong with that.

 

 

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Our society is always changing. This is how societies have always worked. Most changes that occur, when you look at our history, have been for the good. Things have obviously improved, but the playing field is not equal and there are still people (with different backgrounds) who will still make decisions and comments based on the ethnicity of another person. Unfortunately, in general, minorities in most sectors have a disadvantage, just because they are a minority. 

The Old Stock Canadians are being flushed out. Many are in denial, because they're too busy listening to their own voices or watching their own typing to really listen and understand those who are being effected. 

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