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Interesting choice of words, flushed out.

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9 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Interesting choice of words, flushed out.

Yeah, flushed out. Like these racists:

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1 hour ago, AYanker76 said:

You're willfully ignorant...

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 Blacks are more likely to be shot and killed by police, whether armed or unarmed.  The data is there, you just refuse to see it.

And you're flat out wrong. But go ahead, prove you're right. Show me the data showing more blacks are shot and killed by police than whites.

Here, I'll save you some time. More white people than black people (in America and I assume that's what you're talking about) are killed in police shootings.

However there are more white people in America than Blacks. You can manipulate the data to show up to several times more black people than whites are shot by police if you factor that in.

However, again, Blacks commit vastly  more crime (in particular violent crime) than whites and are therefore vastly more likely as a race to find themselves in a violent confrontation with police.

When it's all figured your simplistic claim is completely wrong. I imagine the same could be done with your other claims but you're going to have to do something even more  naive on your part (in thinking you'll get away with it) like double down on your incorrect claims to make me go to the trouble of checking them all out.

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56 minutes ago, marcus said:

Our society is always changing. This is how societies have always worked. Most changes that occur, when you look at our history, have been for the good. Things have obviously improved, but the playing field is not equal and there are still people (with different backgrounds) who will still make decisions and comments based on the ethnicity of another person. Unfortunately, in general, minorities in most sectors have a disadvantage, just because they are a minority. 

The Old Stock Canadians are being flushed out. Many are in denial, because they're too busy listening to their own voices or watching their own typing to really listen and understand those who are being effected. 

What are old stock Canadians?  How are they being flushed?  Regardless, nobody is denying racism in Canada.  There's racism everywhere in the world.  But there are varying degrees of it.  Just because someone doesn't think Canada's problem is as bad as say Iran's, doesn't mean they're denying its existence.

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23 hours ago, Rue said:

Everyone is inherently prone to making negative stereotypes about others because our brains are designed (wired) to take exterior stimuli that bombards us at a rapid pace and try organize it. This process of taking otherwise random or unrelated external stimuli/information and turning it into  recognizable objects or patterns is called "apophenia" and as we put recognizable objects or patterns into sub-categorieswe call itpareidolia. A racist taks this phenomena and then uses their subjective perception of the diifference in physical characteristics of others as compared to themself to define the other and assign that other identical values they also assign to others who they think look the same. This is not surprising since all homo sapiens being primates and therefore pack animals first learned to identify other packs by different physical characteristics.  However most of us now have evolved past assuming others have the same values or believes simply because they have the same skin tone or lip size or hair texture. We have learned such characteristics are secondary and immaterial to determining our similarity with others and it is in fact dna and blood type that determine our similarity.

To be honest, you're throwing the blanket of "racism" over all of this, but it's not necessarily that.

For instance, within the "white race" you'll have big fat guys with long beards and lots of tattoos, wearing leather and denim. They're not all bikers, but they choose that look for a reason. They'd choose a different look if they didn't want to cash in on that style.

Similarly, they could have their heads shaved and have tattoos all over. Again, they chose that look for a reason, and if they wanted to be salesmen or TV hosts they'd choose a different look.

There are really good reasons for judging people based on their appearance, and you wouldn't always be right, but it would be a mistake to always just ignore it. 

If I was walking in an unfamiliar neighbourhood and I saw a bunch of young black men wearing hoodies, with their pants down to the bottom of their underwear, I wouldn't assume they were friendly. I'd assume they knew where I could get some drugs. I could be wrong, so what? I could be wrong about the white guys too. People tend to err on the side of caution. It's "classism" at worst, and some classes are prone to violence. 

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In forensic psychology and forensic psychiatry, we try decipher the thinking processes behind the motives for a criminal act or a perceived wrongdoing. So in the case of the police officer who put his knee on the victim, we decipher the cognitive processes leading up to, during and after the decision to knee the other person. In so doing we analyze the motives for the behaviour. What was inescapable in the video was the lack of emotion in the police officer characteristic of a desensitised individual.

I'd agree that he's de-sensitized, along with a lot of other cops. 

I'd agree that a lot of the people that those cops deal with are de-sensitized and too hard to deal with too.

In both groups, there's a line that people cross which means that they have to lose their jobs or go to jail. Those lines should be the same. 

Problem: I think that in a lot of instances, we are too quick to give too much or too little credibility to one group or they other for their de-senisitization when they cross those lines. I don't care if your mom sucked and your grandma raised you, and she wasn't much better. I don't care if your job is too hard, you can quit. Crime is crime and theres no room for bleeding hearts at sentencing time. 

In the case of police officers, I think that hyper-liberalization is making their jobs harder than they need to be. Policing has come a long way in the last 60 years, since 1960. But things that the police need to be able to do, like "carding" or "stop and frisk", save lives. More specifically, they save lives in the communities they are working in. Unfortunately most of the people who they deal with in those areas are minorities, but almost all of the lives that they save when the murder rates go down in those areas are also minorities. Liberals are screwing things up at every level and policing is one.

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Next to say the violence exhibited  by the police officer was  only stimulated by phenomena other than skin colour because other officers also attack people of their own skin colour is illogical. 

The fact that you want to say that you know what was in his mind is highly illogical

He's not necessarily responding to the way the guy looks, he could be responding to the way the guy talks, the fact that he's high, and most likely the fact that he resisted arrest. 

If the guy was on drugs, the cop would know, and he could be responding to dealing with the same old crackhead problem that he deals with every day. "Lock him up, let him out, try and solve the crimes he commits, lock him up again tomorrow. Rinse - repeat". That's a real thing.

One of my friends is an ambulance driver, they revive the exact same people a lot. It's not even rare for people get mad when they are revived, because they feel like "their awesome high" just got wasted and now they need to do whatever nasty things they need to do to get more drugs so that they can OD again. It's a thankless job, but at least the ambulance attendants don't deal with physical and verbal (thanks hyper-lefties) abuse. 

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What we know is  current case is this officer had negative assumptions about this individual prior to his arrest. So for someone to rule out part of the officer's abuse process was triggered by negative familiarity with blacks is absurd. It would be impossible not to be. We all will use the prevailing physical characteristics of an individual to define them whether we attack them or vice versa. That would be a reflex reaction process triggered so quicky we would not be aware of it at the time of the intense moment or incident.

With all due respect, what you don't know in this case is probably a lot more than what you know, the same with the rest of us. At this stage, there are a lot of key people who played a role in the filming or the arrest in this case who are actively trying to deceive us all. We'll never know the truth, unless some audio and video comes out that we haven't had access to yet.

You're making very big, key assumptions here which are much more unlikely than a resisting arrest scenario. You're also making the assumption that the officer never hears people faking how much pain they're in, or how much they're being abused when they know there's an angry liberal pointing a camera at them. I can guarantee that happens. I've seen videos before which were edited to make cops look bad. (what this cop did was murder, but let's not act like we know exactly what happened, and exactly what he was thinking, and exactly why he did the things that he did, WHEN WE DO NOT)

C'mon Rue, you're way smarter than this. 

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Finally to be able to abuse someone one would have to have entered a head space where they see that person as less than human. That is what densitisation is. It happens over a period of time from repeat exposure to others with similar behaviours and characteristics than then breeds familiarity and then in the case of negative assumptions triggered from similar feelings to past persons with the same characteristics a lack of remorse, guilt, or compassion. The tape shows a police offer in a classic state of desenitisation. He was able for 9 minutes a man pleading with him to stop.

This is how ordinary men become monsters. Its not hard.  ll you have to do is  give them Give them unlimited power over others.

You all remember the test with the students asked to push buttons. On the other side was a person who each time a new button was pushed screamed louder. The vast majority of people when told to keep increasing the pain did just that simply by being asked.

He abused that guy, and murdered him, but like I said earlier, he definitely (and I'm not guessing here) has run into people who acted like they were dying before when a camera came out. It's what people do. Check youtube for a police abuse video and you'll find lots of examples of people who are hamming it up. Lots of editing hatchet-jobs. It's no excuse, but there's also no excuse for pretending to know his exact thought process, and know that it was racism for certain. The videos of the exact same thing happening to a white guy are actual examples of how this can happen without the issue of race being a contributing factor. 

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

The Old Stock Canadians are being flushed out. Many are in denial, because they're too busy listening to their own voices or watching their own typing to really listen and understand those who are being effected. 

You have no idea who you are dismissing. Those are the people who made this country the free and equal place it is, warts and all. The founders of Canada had a unique vision and they should be celebrated. They understood full well those who are 'effected'.

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2 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

You're willfully ignorant.  For the same crimes, police are more likely to stop, arrest and use force against black people despite them being a significantly smaller segment of the population.  Multiple studies of several municipalities, including Ferguson, show that whites are more likely to possess contraband during a police stop, yet blacks are more likely to be stopped, searched and arrested for it.

Blacks commit a vastly disproportionate amount of crime, especially violent crime. In New York city Blacks account for 62% of murders, 66% of robberies, and 74% of shootings. That is why they receive more police attention. Violent people tend to have more police use of force records.

2 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

For the same crimes, blacks receive harsher sentencing and are more likely to receive the death penalty. 

Sentencing depends on history as well as chances of reform. Blacks are more likely to have previous convictions, no jobs and poor chances of reform.

2 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

Blacks are more likely to be shot and killed by police, whether armed or unarmed.  The data is there, you just refuse to see it.

And when you change that from how often per population to how often per crime blacks are LESS likely to be shot by police. The white homicide rate is 2.5 per 100k population, while the black rate is 16.1 per 100k. Blacks commit crimes at 7-10 times the rate of whites. 90-95% of blacks shot by police were attacking police or someone else when shot. And by the way, blacks are more likely to be shot by black police officers.

2 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

And yes, Canada has its share of problems.  You guys seem to have some *real* issues with indigenous people--Canadians seem to hate them in the same way that Americans hate blacks--but you are much less violent people. 

It's always that word the radical left turns to: "hate" as if that is the guiding motivation for all police incidents involving minorities. But the real indicator of which groups police will be most often interacting with in a violent way is the rate of crime of that community. The indigenous community in Canada commits crimes out of all proportion to their numbers in the population, and that is why they enjoy more police attention.

2 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

All the same, your statement is motivating to continue to relentlessly beat racism and racists out of public policy and out of society.  This must not be tolerated that we may have a future without this kind of inequity.  More importantly, I don't want my children to live in a world where jackboots can kill them for looking at them sideways.  If you want to live in a place like that, you should look at residency in Russia and China.

And thank you for demonstrating the hatred and intolerance of today's 'progressives', their near religious zealotry as they attack heretics and blasphemers. This would be bad enough if they only focused on racists, but as there aren't enough, the zealots must continually invent more things which are 'racist', must continually expand the definition so they can find more people to hate and despise. And they must continue their campaign against freedom of speech, assembly, association, religion, and anything else which gets in the way of their witch hunts.

And by the way, do you think no one noticed that in response to what you quoted you had ZERO evidence that this incident was sparked by religion? For fanatics, it's always simply assumed that in every confrontation between white and black, racism is the motive. Thus no evidence is required.

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

Of course Argus would deny that there is racism in Canada.

He would? And yet, strangely, he never has!

What are you even doing on this topic, anyway? There are no Jews involved. Surely you should be elsewhere haranguing those who support Israel.

1 hour ago, marcus said:

This is the same guy who calls a segment of immigrants Goat Herders and he thinks there is nothing wrong with that.

I see nothing wrong with truth, unlike yourself.

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1 hour ago, scribblet said:

Interesting choice of words, flushed out.

The radical left doesn't like white people very much. In fact, a study of in-group loyalty done in the US found that only one group had "out-group loyalty" ie, felt a preference for people outside their race, and that was white liberals.

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

The Old Stock Canadians are being flushed out.

But who will pay for the welfare cheques of the "new stock Canadians"?

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Older people just seem to be out of touch as to what is considered acceptable today.

 

Many of them simply thought a few signatures on an online petition would sweep Don Cherry back onto Coach's Corner.  Well, that didn't happen.  As with same-sex marriage, the old attitudes literally die off and all of a sudden there is a new normal.  At one point politicians were glad to be against it, then lo and behold ... they weren't.  

It's just a matter of time.  And the worst part of it (since I identify as conservative now) is that the same young people who have been shut out of economic success by the Boomers will be driven to the far left.  I much prefer classical liberal economics, but the ones that pay the bills, support public services and pay for the environment.  It's the "worst" part because a lot of old right-wing kooks are going to live through the socialist nightmare they themselves created ... for a short time until they go to heaven where Ronald Reagan and Thatcher await them.

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51 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

You have no idea who you are dismissing. Those are the people who made this country the free and equal place it is, warts and all. The founders of Canada had a unique vision and they should be celebrated. They understood full well those who are 'effected'.

Despite your attempt, there is nothing romantic about how Canada was formed and what took place and continues to take place in order for Canada to be formed.

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On 6/4/2020 at 12:25 AM, jacee said:

George Floyd was a Black man murdered by four white cops, all now arrested and charged:

2nd degree murder,

Aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder x 3.

It's the context of the topic.

That and resulting protests.

 

Yes they have been charged, but do you admit they all have the right to a fair trial . How about the presumption of innocence?

Believe it or not but there could actually be more to the George Floyd case than meets the eye. The media has their own agenda and narrative that they want to foist on us and perhaps there are things they are omitting.

https://anncoulter.com/column/

As for Stockwell Day's comments,I can't believe he resigned over that. He said absolutely nothing offensive! People can agree or disagree with him, we do have that right,at least for now.It is largely progressives that are intolerant and hateful. Judge someone by the content of their character? Hell no!

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Marcus said:

This is the same guy who calls a segment of immigrants Goat Herders and he thinks there is nothing wrong with that.

50 minutes ago, Argus said:

I see nothing wrong with truth, unlike yourself.

People like you are being flushed out. Change is happening, despite your resistence. In due time, you'll be another screaming racist in a parking lot, embarrassing your family with your views.

If you have kids, there is a good chance that your racist views will be shunned by your kids. In most cases, this is what happens. There is a break in the cycle of racism.

 

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22 minutes ago, marcus said:
Marcus said:

This is the same guy who calls a segment of immigrants Goat Herders and he thinks there is nothing wrong with that.

Why do arrogant progressives assume that goat herding, or anything else which requires labour, is demeaning? Perhaps because they've never done any and would never think of doing any.

The Syrian refugees who came to Canada were uneducated, illiterate rural people, according to the media who saw and interviewed them. They had no skillset which would allow them to climb out of poverty here and were only brought over due to the virtue signalling of progressives like Trudeau. They could have been taken care of where they were for a fraction of the cost and they'd have been happier. Instead most will be on welfare here for the rest of their lives.

22 minutes ago, marcus said:

People like you are being flushed out.

White people, you mean? Jews, perhaps? I know you're eager to flush out those Jews.

 

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30 minutes ago, marcus said:

Despite your attempt, there is nothing romantic about how Canada was formed and what took place and continues to take place in order for Canada to be formed.

If you hate this country so much why not go elsewhere? Somewhere without capitalism, white people, or Jews?

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53 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Older people just seem to be out of touch as to what is considered acceptable today.

Really, oh wise one? Acceptable to whom? To those who think freedom of speech should be eliminated? To those who think those who think differently should be punished?

We saw near universal unanimity and sympathy for the protesters and even the rioters in the media over the course of a solid week, endless videos and interviews of poor black people decrying racism and police brutality. And after a week of that 58% of Americans said they supported Trump bringing in the military to put an end to their protests.

The silent majority is still out there, and they're not listening to the bleating of self-hating progressive assholes

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3 hours ago, marcus said:

Our society is always changing. This is how societies have always worked. Most changes that occur, when you look at our history, have been for the good. Things have obviously improved, but the playing field is not equal and there are still people (with different backgrounds) who will still make decisions and comments based on the ethnicity of another person. Unfortunately, in general, minorities in most sectors have a disadvantage, just because they are a minority. 

The Old Stock Canadians are being flushed out. Many are in denial, because they're too busy listening to their own voices or watching their own typing to really listen and understand those who are being effected. 

Keep in mind that in the whole history of the world, this is one of a handful of the most peaceful, least-bigoted societies ever.

In order to try to make a point, you’re holding Canadians accountable to a standard that we created, which almost no one else has ever attained.

Slavery had been normal, going thousands of years back into pre-history. Conquest and subjugation were normal practices of war. 

What you perceive as a massive, criminal injustice against a POC here wouldn’t make page 60 of the most liberal newspaper in Iran if it happened to a non-muslim. 

If you want to be a true SJW, go east young marcus. Your ME culture is still in the dark ages, so your mindless accusations would actually be on point over there.

Go ahead and tell the mullahs they’re bigots. I’m sure they’ll change their ways. 

We both know that if Mohammed’s men had come to North America there’d be no vast tracts of land under aboriginal authority. The aboriginals would all be beheaded or converted and their women and children would be sex slaves. 

Sadly, genocide and genocidal rape are still regular occurrences in muslim-controlled areas. 

You’re the worst kind of bigot that there is. A “do as I say, not as my people do” bigot. 

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

Why do arrogant progressives assume that goat herding, or anything else which requires labour, is demeaning?

Sure racist. Try to explain away that one.

2 hours ago, Argus said:

White people, you mean? 

I mean that racist trash will be singled out as our culture, in general, does not tolerate racists like you.

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7 hours ago, jacee said:

AND WE HAVE SOME WINNERS! 

Denial of racism among Canadians.

Denial of racism among Canadian police.

Denial of racism in the death of George Floyd. 4

MLW is STILL the racist winner of Canadian discussion boards! 

Cue the deniers 

Q?  If white supremacists truly believe in the supremacy of the white race, the dangers of inter-mingling races, the threats of multiculturalism to the white race ... why do they deny their own racism? Do they not have faith in their own ideology? 

Always a mystery! 

 

Is Friday night after a long week of work, if you work, my advice would be to relax a little bit. Don't let your emotions overrule your rational thinking because you can end up like her, she will be spending most of her life in prison:

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Keep in mind that in the whole history of the world, this is one of a handful of the most peaceful, least-bigoted societies ever.

In order to try to make a point, you’re holding Canadians accountable to a standard that we created, which almost no one else has ever attained.

Slavery had been normal, going thousands of years back into pre-history. Conquest and subjugation were normal practices of war. 

What you perceive as a massive, criminal injustice against a POC here wouldn’t make page 60 of the most liberal newspaper in Iran if it happened to a non-muslim. 

If you want to be a true SJW, go east young marcus. Your ME culture is still in the dark ages, so your mindless accusations would actually be on point over there.

Go ahead and tell the mullahs they’re bigots. I’m sure they’ll change their ways. 

We both know that if Mohammed’s men had come to North America there’d be no vast tracts of land under aboriginal authority. The aboriginals would all be beheaded or converted and their women and children would be sex slaves. 

Sadly, genocide and genocidal rape are still regular occurrences in muslim-controlled areas. 

Why are you setting the bar by using a backwards government in Iran? I don't get it.

We need to continue to improve as a society and part of that is by looking at what is wrong with our society and try to improve it.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You’re the worst kind of bigot that there is. A “do as I say, not as my people do” bigot. 

I also don't get your comment above. What are you talking about?

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2 hours ago, Argus said:

Really, oh wise one? Acceptable to whom? To those who think freedom of speech should be eliminated? To those who think those who think differently should be punished?

We saw near universal unanimity and sympathy for the protesters and even the rioters in the media over the course of a solid week, endless videos and interviews of poor black people decrying racism and police brutality. And after a week of that 58% of Americans said they supported Trump bringing in the military to put an end to their protests.

The silent majority is still out there, and they're not listening to the bleating of self-hating progressive assholes

Probably they are not but most are afraid to speak up as we now know one cannot disagree with the left or you will lose your job etc.  Disagree with a leftist and you are 'racist' automatically.  Nobody protested when  Tony Timpa  was killed by cops using the choke hold in Dallas.    …note that the  Minneapolis Police Department have rendered people unconscious with neck restraints 44 times, according to an NBC News analysis of police record, so now they care.   So no, this wasn't actually a 'racist' act, it was lack of judgement and stupidity.

If Racism is systemic in Canada and the majority of Canadians are racists, why on earth would any immigrants or refugees want to come here?

 

 

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3 hours ago, marcus said:

Despite your attempt, there is nothing romantic about how Canada was formed and what took place and continues to take place in order for Canada to be formed.

It starts to smell like Karl Marx's dirty bed sheets. Did you know that Karl Marx in his quest to brainwash individuals and turn them into sheep was forgetting to wash his linen ? Just a fun Friday night fact.

Canada is an opportunity for every immigrant, minority, white person to work hard and create a life for their family however in a capitalistic society some people fail, who knows, it might be me next or not, I don't know, maybe then to explain my failures I will turn to agitators like yourself for comfort. I sure hope though, if that happens, to have wisdom and trust myself and keep moving forward. 

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5 minutes ago, marcus said:

Why are you setting the bar by using a backwards government in Iran? I don't get it.

We need to continue to improve as a society and part of that is by looking at what is wrong with our society and try to improve it.

I'm comparing the culture within this country, whose history is so deplorable according to you, to the culture which you hold so dear:

 

2 hours ago, marcus said:

Despite your attempt, there is nothing romantic about how Canada was formed and what took place and continues to take place in order for Canada to be formed.

You're not limiting yourself to talking about where we are and going forward in this thread, you're taking a jab at our past as if it's somehow extremely relevant to the topic of how the left talks/acts in 2020.

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I also don't get your comment above. What are you talking about?

I'm talking about how you act like the culture of islam is beyond reproach and Canada is a huge work in progress.

If you want to take the position that Canada needs to try to step up it's game, that's for certain. No country is perfect, no country will ever be perfect, humans are too far from it. This topic just doesn't jive with the first half of the one above, at all. 

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7 hours ago, jacee said:

AND WE HAVE SOME WINNERS! 

Denial of racism among Canadians.

Denial of racism among Canadian police.

Denial of racism in the death of George Floyd. 4

MLW is STILL the racist winner of Canadian discussion boards! 

Cue the deniers 

You need something to back those serious/childish accusations up jacee.

I've mentioned your bigotry here before, true enough, but I don't mention it without the facts to back it up. See the photo below. 

FYI, racism hasn't been proven in the death of GF. No racist comments were made on the video, and the eyewitnesses never even claimed to hear a racist comment.

Furthermore, video of a similar death at the hands of police has already been posted in this forum, and racism clearly wasn't involved in that murder. What can be done once with total absence of racism can be done a second time with a total absence of racism. That's just fact. And FYI, what CNN considers to be proof, and what is actually proof, are two completely separate things. CNN just opined, and their opinions aren't worth shit. 

Even some judges don't know wtf they're talking about when it comes to racist attacks:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/indigenous-woman-yells-i-hate-white-people-before-punching-white-woman-but-its-not-a-hate-crime-judge-rules

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Q?  If white supremacists truly believe in the supremacy of the white race, the dangers of inter-mingling races, the threats of multiculturalism to the white race ... why do they deny their own racism? Do they not have faith in their own ideology? 

Always a mystery!

I get that you may be hurting inside from something that you perceive to have happened to you but this is some sick BS to just heap on someone falsely.

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