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When I was younger the soccer fans in Europe used to post a banner for the local team when they were not doing well:   

"Players come and go, management comes and goes, our love for the team stays the same". 

I don't find it patriotic to start bashing the country itself because of the management which according to you. is bad. The management will change, what if at the next elections your favorite wins the PM, let's say Maxime Bernier, you probably like him, will you come after and say Canada is great now ?

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37 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:

I don't find it patriotic to start bashing your fellow Canadians or the country itself because the management . . .  is bad. The management will change. What if . . . your favorite wins the PM . . . will you come after and say Canada is great now ?

Blind patriotism is great if you're one of the sheep flock.  Any realist can see that Canada is too big to govern in its present form.  Encourage Quebec to separate . . . then you'll have a chance at making a real Canada.  

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44 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:

I don't find it patriotic to start bashing your fellow Canadians or the country itself because the management, according to you is bad. The management will change...

Yet you don't have any problem slagging countries or people according to their ideology. I note you have an interest in nonpartisanship but is that because there's some vast difference between ideology and partisanship?  I guess according to some the Canadian Conservative Party is even more left of the American Democratic Party who are now routinely referred to as being extreme leftists so...who cares if the management changes if everything is doomed to become communist at some point.

It's been obvious for years that the right-wing is not a place it's a direction on a journey that is forever it seems just getting under way.  As such even the Republican's will inevitably become commie - given all the lolly they've handed out recently it may already be too late.

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45 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yet you don't have any problem slagging countries or people according to their ideology.

What can I say, I accept my humanity, I am flawed, nothing wrong to set up goals like Non-partisan however I do have my moments when I see communists or people that love the USA more than this beautiful place that is Canada.

This country with its flaws, is a dream come true, some of you don't realize it because you take it for granted. You need a trip to some places in the world and then when you will come back you will start kissing the ground.

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On 6/7/2020 at 1:10 PM, taxme said:

Or in other words, if one is white you are privileged. Seeing that North America was founded and settled by white people, why would they not pretty much have all of the jobs? Although today in North America it will be nonwhite people that are starting to become the privilege ones. Don't believe me? Just wait and see. And the more new immigrants coming from nonwhite countries the worse it will get for white people. Believe it or not. Racism appears to be now against white people. Prove me wrong if you can? The floor is yours. ;)

The immigrants that are coming to Canada, for the most part, are the cream of the crop. Educated, experienced, high language skills and they have money. Perhaps this is why you feel threatened?

They are not disadvantaged like the indigenous in Canada. They have not gone through generations of trauma. Their children start ahead of the indigenous population.

 

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12 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

My friend from Vietnam said it well: Revolutions ? Who has time for that ? I have to pay my mortgage.

Just wondering, are you a pilot, too?

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6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That would not be necessary.

Let me bring up another person's origins, one wise Jewish person once told me:

Politics is like we are blind in a room and there is a statue there, some people touch the top, some the middle and the rest the bottom. The key is to talk to each other to get that full picture of the statue. We often make the mistake, I do too, we only touch one section and think we have the full picture. That is incorrect and is fanaticism. Is nothing wrong, in my opinion, to change your mind as you go in life, is the process of learning.

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9 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

Let me bring up another person's origins, one wise Jewish person once told me:

Politics is like we are blind in a room and there is a statue there, some people touch the top, some the middle and the rest the bottom. The key is to talk to each other to get that full picture of the statue. We often make the mistake, I do too, we only touch one section and think we have the full picture. That is incorrect and is fanaticism. Is nothing wrong, in my opinion, to change your mind as you go in life, is the process of learning.

There is learning and then there is brainwashing, unlearning, learning lies and indoctrination. A wise man will learn things, a foolish man allows himself to be lied to by political dis-educators. Don't touch the damned thing.

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16 hours ago, marcus said:

The immigrants that are coming to Canada, for the most part, are the cream of the crop. Educated, experienced, high language skills and they have money

We continue to increase the number of immigrants every year. With every increase we have to lower our sights and accept more people with less qualifications. Their language skills are not high. Some of them are barely adequate to ask directions to the bathroom. And the majority of them are sponsored, and thus not tested for language, skills or education. Several studies have pointed out the low literacy skills of immigrants and how that has impacted their economic success or lack thereof. Australia did a massive study of immigration a few years back and discovered that increase language skill requirements would greatly improve immigrant economic success.

Canada has done no such study. Canada does not study immigration, its impact on Canada, or how to improve it.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/wanted

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15 minutes ago, Argus said:

We continue to increase the number of immigrants every year. With every increase we have to lower our sights and accept more people with less qualifications.

Wrong.

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

Their language skills are not high.

Wrong.

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

Some of them are barely adequate to ask directions to the bathroom. And the majority of them are sponsored, and thus not tested for language, skills or education.

Wrong.

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I’m starting to think that countries like Japan, Denmark, etc have the right idea when it comes to immigration.

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24 minutes ago, Shady said:

I’m starting to think that countries like Japan, Denmark, etc have the right idea when it comes to immigration.

If it's based on your fear of "the others", I understand that you have this fear. However, economically, it's not a good idea. You need to address the aging population and part of that can be through immigration:
 

An aging population like Japan's poses numerous problems. The government will have to spend more on healthcare, and that, coupled with a shrinking workforce and tax base, is a recipe for economic stagnation. It also means, among other things, that there will not be enough young people to care for the elderly.

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Here is a good read in regards to our aging population and how other countries are handling the issue - they specifically mention Denmark and their successes:

Declining fertility rates have combined with increased life expectancy to create a Canada in which there are more seniors than children 14 and younger.

And projections released by Statistics Canada Tuesday show that gap will only increase over the next 40 years, leading to slower economic growth and a growing demand for social support, demographics expert David Foot says.

Policy-makers could consider Tuesday's news a wake-up call, although the University of Toronto economics professor said these trends have been ignored for decades.

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On 6/9/2020 at 5:03 PM, Independent1986 said:

Is it true that in some areas of Quebec if you speak English you might not get serviced for food or that is just anti-Quebecois propaganda ? I am ashamed to say I have never been to Quebec.

There are pockets in Quebec where one may find it difficult to find someone who can or will speak in English to you. Either it is because they do not know how to speak English or they are a separatist. But there are some hard core separatists that will not speak to you at all in English. I know that because I am originally from Quebec. I left Quebec because I could see that as an Anglophone in Quebec I was not welcomed there anymore. I have felt many times that when buying something I could see the person pretty much not wanting to talk to me in English.

Don't feel ashamed to have never gone to Quebec. Why would you feel ashamed anyway? But if you do some day go to Quebec City. It's pretty neat there, and in some places you will feel like you have gone back to the 18th century as most of the old buildings are still standing. I miss the food though. Try a Steamie(hot dog). They are great. ;)

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26 minutes ago, marcus said:

If it's based on your fear of "the others", I understand that you have this fear. However, economically, it's not a good idea. You need to address the aging population and part of that can be through immigration:

Australia, in that massive study of immigration I mentioned above, considered whether immigration could do anything much to counteract an aging population and found that it would have very little effect. And that what impact it did have would depend on getting younger immigrants.

The Liberals have quadrupled the number of elderly immigrants who can be sponsored by relatives.

Douglas Todd: Immigration won't replace Canada's aging workforce

Opinion: Key economists warned in the 1990s it's virtually impossible for immigration to forestall the aging of Canada's population. But few listened then. Or today.

Canada’s business-oriented C.D. Howe Institute has produced a report showing Ottawa would have to bring in 1.4 million immigrants a year for decades to counteract the country’s low birthrate and the retirement of workers. That would be a rate four times higher than the 2018 historical record of 321,000, which polls by Ipsos and others show more than half of Canadians oppose. It adds up to a “preposterous scenario,” C.D. Howe says.

“Canadians in general, and policy-makers in particular, should not think of immigration as an antidote to demographic and fiscal pressures,” says the report, concluding immigration has only a “muted impact” on Canada’s age structure. Immigration is a “terrible” way to respond to the demographics of aging, emphasizes UBC economist David Green.

“It’s not just that immigrants age. It’s that immigrants come with families. As soon as that’s true, you’re not going to alter the age structure dramatically through immigration,” Green told a recent Conference Board of Canada event in Vancouver.

It was Green, during a coffee break, who remarked the only conceivable way immigrants could offset Canada’s aging workforce would be if they were exclusively 15-year-old orphans. That’s because it would take 50 years for the teens to reach retirement age and, as orphans, they wouldn’t need to bring in any parents or grandparents.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-alas-immigration-wont-replace-canadas-aging-workforce

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17 hours ago, marcus said:

The immigrants that are coming to Canada, for the most part, are the cream of the crop. Educated, experienced, high language skills and they have money. Perhaps this is why you feel threatened?

They are not disadvantaged like the indigenous in Canada. They have not gone through generations of trauma. Their children start ahead of the indigenous population.

 

There may be some new immigrants that have done well in Canada, but not all have. There are many on welfare, and who are sucking our social services and medical services and economy dry.  I doubt that Canada is getting any cream of the crop from all of those legal and illegal so called refugees that are being brought into or have sneaked into Canada. They have cost the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to feed, clothe and house them. What a deal for them, eh? 

The Indians in Canada have been receiving hundreds of billions of our Canadian tax dollars for several decades now, and what have they done to show for with all of those tax dollars that has been handed over to them for free from the Canadian taxpayer's? There is no excuse for any Indian in Canada to be whining and crying about how hard they are being done by. They have just as much of a chance to make it in Canada as everyone else has. They just do not like to work. Most of them are just plain lazy. :unsure:

 

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8 minutes ago, Argus said:

Australia, in that massive study of immigration I mentioned above, considered whether immigration could do anything much to counteract an aging population and found that it would have very little effect. And that what impact it did have would depend on getting younger immigrants.

The Liberals have quadrupled the number of elderly immigrants who can be sponsored by relatives.

Douglas Todd: Immigration won't replace Canada's aging workforce

Opinion: Key economists warned in the 1990s it's virtually impossible for immigration to forestall the aging of Canada's population. But few listened then. Or today.

Canada’s business-oriented C.D. Howe Institute has produced a report showing Ottawa would have to bring in 1.4 million immigrants a year for decades to counteract the country’s low birthrate and the retirement of workers. That would be a rate four times higher than the 2018 historical record of 321,000, which polls by Ipsos and others show more than half of Canadians oppose. It adds up to a “preposterous scenario,” C.D. Howe says.

“Canadians in general, and policy-makers in particular, should not think of immigration as an antidote to demographic and fiscal pressures,” says the report, concluding immigration has only a “muted impact” on Canada’s age structure. Immigration is a “terrible” way to respond to the demographics of aging, emphasizes UBC economist David Green.

“It’s not just that immigrants age. It’s that immigrants come with families. As soon as that’s true, you’re not going to alter the age structure dramatically through immigration,” Green told a recent Conference Board of Canada event in Vancouver.

It was Green, during a coffee break, who remarked the only conceivable way immigrants could offset Canada’s aging workforce would be if they were exclusively 15-year-old orphans. That’s because it would take 50 years for the teens to reach retirement age and, as orphans, they wouldn’t need to bring in any parents or grandparents.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-alas-immigration-wont-replace-canadas-aging-workforce

There was this liberal immigration minister in a liberal cabinet in Ottawa many decades ago who said that there are just as many people that die in Canada that are born in Canada. It sort of equals itself out.  Sure, I am not saying that we not all that much need to bring in new immigrants but the numbers that are being brought into Canada today are quite staggering. There is no need to be bringing in 3 - 4 hundred thousand new immigrants and refugees into Canada every year.  All more immigration does is create more traffic gridlock, more damage to our infrastructures, more assaults on our medical and social services services, and more damage done to the environment. Our immigration policy of today is all just one big farce and a joke.

Canada needs a moratorium on immigration for at least five years, if not longer. Canada certainly does not need another one million new immigrants in the next three years which is what comrade Trudeau wants to do. The guy is nuts in the head. Where the hell is he going to put them all, the buffoon. That fool has to go. :D

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8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

There is learning and then there is brainwashing, unlearning, learning lies and indoctrination. A wise man will learn things, a foolish man allows himself to be lied to by political dis-educators. Don't touch the damned thing.

The more our stunned and stupid liberals and socialists try to keep changing things, and the way things were done in Canada the worse things always seems to get. Liberalism and socialism have done not a dam thing to try and keep Canada great. On the contrary, those two ism's have so screwed this country up so bad that I have my doubts that we could ever fix it up and get back to where we once were which was once a great  British/European country.

There can be no doubt about it that if the leftist liberals and socialists keep flooding this country with more new languages, cultures, religions, traditions and heritages tribal ghettos will spring up everywhere. It has to happen. Guaranteed. We have two China towns in BC already. One in Vancouver, and one in Richmond, and they are getting bigger. And some of those Asians living in those cities have shown white people their Asian hatred and racism towards them, and that they have no love for them. 

In one condo complex in Richmond where the majority of people living in those condos were Asians  they wanted to only have their annual general meetings in Chinese only. Now how is that for trying to promote racism, eh? Come on, bogus and Marcos? What do you have to say about that bit of racism going on in Canada today? Don't run and hide. I know that you pretty much read everything that I post here. Over to you, guys. ;)

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While I do agree that the "left" has got out of hand with political correctness (the latest on JK Rowling is the worst kind of SJW outrage), the sort of language you're using above is really just as bad, just from the other perspective.  

A lot of "good" stuff has been accomplished by the Left in recent decades.  Same-sex marriage, the entrenchment of abortion rights, minimum wage improvements and even the repealing of the $10000/y TFSA contribution limits can all be seen as "wins" for the Left, and all of it is good policy-making.  

 

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On 6/10/2020 at 3:16 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

Blind patriotism is great if you're one of the sheep flock.  Any realist can see that Canada is too big to govern in its present form.  Encourage Quebec to separate . . . then you'll have a chance at making a real Canada.  

You mistake him and me and others who  had our own issues with lack of freedom but found it in Canada.  He is the last guy who would blindly support government let alone it jacking your balls.

Me, I hum and haw  at grocery stores handling  packaged meat.  Not exactly someone you need worry about. Cancer will get me before you do.

I have tracked and killed rabid animals. It was a job...same job where I cleaned toilets and cut toe nails.

Don't mistake me as a social worker. I cleaned toilets. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Rue said:

You got your damn right to say that...but you mistake him and me and others who  had our own issues with lack of freedom but found it here. He is the last guy who would blindly support government phack you. Yah he did not inherit your shit...doesn't mean he expects you to accept your shit. We respect freedom, not your lack of it. We don't presume to tell you a damn thing. If we do say phack off.  Some of us know we walk on soil we know  has blood on it. We won't waste emotions like guilt on it.  We honour it by walking around it. Might not be much but we will stay out of your face. You got shit to settle, you will. Probably not with Lord Justin but eventually someone with balls. So probably a female Prime Minister. 

Men never settle up. We pose and posture and strut and never pay back our debts until someone gets shot or a knee broken.

It's not good to use your whole post in a quote . . . . but, just what are you trying to say?  Are you answering for another member here?  Are you suffering from mental issues?  What is your post about?

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1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

It's not good to use your whole post in a quote . . . . but, just what are you trying to say?  Are you answering for another member here?  Are you suffering from mental issues?  What is your post about?

I did not quote...that one can be patriotic without being blind. Yes.  Ihave many, but  I do not suffer.  Already answered.

Anything else? 

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6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

While I do agree that the "left" has got out of hand with political correctness (the latest on JK Rowling is the worst kind of SJW outrage), the sort of language you're using above is really just as bad, just from the other perspective.  

What language is just as bad - as an example?

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

A lot of "good" stuff has been accomplished by the Left in recent decades.  Same-sex marriage, the entrenchment of abortion rights, minimum wage improvements and even the repealing of the $10000/y TFSA contribution limits can all be seen as "wins" for the Left, and all of it is good policy-making. 

My concern is with the growing intolerance for differing opinion, the growing sense among the activist left that words they don't like constitute 'violence', and that they need to be defended from such violence. The fact that Stockwell Day can't even say that he didn't see systemic racism in Canada without being ousted from all his paying jobs as if he's some kind of evil person who must be shunned speaks volumes on just what lack of acceptance there is for anyone daring to oppose the Left's social views. The left has decided that all their views are virtuous, and all views which differ are sinful and vile. There is no room for a difference of opinion. It is all about morality. You either agree with the Left or you're immoral and bad.

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