Petition to Remove Churchill Street Name

[taxme 957]

On 6/23/2020 at 7:38 AM, Shady said:

It's not their statues to take down.  Regardless, historical context is important.  And now the North American Taliban is removing Jefferson, Adams, Washington and Lincoln statues.  They're completely insane now.  No, that's not true, you should read Team of Rivals, it's a great book on Lincoln.  You should also read the Lincoln/Douglas debates.

Thank God for Trump who has passed an executive order that has said that anyone caught trying to pull down a statue or deface a monument they could get up to ten years in jail. And by the looks of things, it worked. We do not see anyone of these MLW thugs and Antifa commies trying to do any pulling down of statues today or defacing monuments anywhere.

This is what happens when there is a leader who will stand up to those commie thugs and bullies. They go run and hide in their grandmother's basement. When they are in a crowd, they all act like tough bullies and thugs. But they are all cowards when they are alone. Trump gas declared war on these little wannabe commies, and it looks like Trump has won that war.  

That is why Trump is the President and is a real and true leader. Trump will never kneel to those commie thugs and bullies ever. Unlike our comrade prime mistake of Canada who did do just that at some BLM demonstration, where he got down on his comrade knees, and asked for forgiveness from the BLM mobsters. What a wimp and cowardly politically correct buffoon that Canada has for a leader.

We have a weak in the knee so called leader of Canada who will not stand up to those who want to change this country and it's history. He will stand by as they try to change names on streets like they want to do with the Churchill street name. And he had no problem with the removal of the picture of our first Prime Minister of Canada by taking his picture of our Canadian ten dollar bill. That was a disgrace. It would appear as though comrade Trudeau, just like his old man, is trying to erase all of our  British history, and replace it with some foreign or french history.

I do hope that the citizen's will stand up to this Trudeau french leftist liberal anti-British takeover that is going on in Canada and just say no to the name change of Churchill. I wonder as to who is the one or ones that want to make that name change anyway? Just curious. The french in Ottawa several years ago tried to have the name of Mount Logan in British Columbia changed to Mount Chretien. What nerve and what gall that these french have. Thank gawd they were not allowed to get away with the name change. Chretien did nothing for Canada. He just helped make Canada worse. Quebec has been a disease and a thorn in Canada's side ever since Canada was created.  Canada needs to separate from Quebec. Works for me. 

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11 hours ago, bcsapper said:

But race?  Why would anyone give a toss about race?  Same with sexual orientation.  I think it takes personal biases to worry about those.

I meant culture actually. I said racism because I'm using the left's definition of the term...

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43 minutes ago, Transportfan said:

I meant culture actually. I said racism because I'm using the left's definition of the term...

Ah, I see.  Well, being intolerant of reprehensible cultural practices is as natural as being intolerant of any other reprehensible behaviour, and nothing to do with race whatsoever.  Regardless of who seeks to pick the definition of the month.

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12 hours ago, Argus said:

And there needs to be an acceptance that we are, in fact, a nation, with a history, culture and traditions worth preserving, and that it would be a bad thing to see it all washed away in a flood of foreigners.

How about something less complicated like a species on a pale blue dot?  It would just be what it is should it it all get blown away by an asteroid I guess.

Surely there must be even less important things we could be worrying about.

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On 7/5/2020 at 1:09 AM, eyeball said:

How about something less complicated like a species on a pale blue dot?  It would just be what it is should it it all get blown away by an asteroid I guess.

Surely there must be even less important things we could be worrying about.

Just because you condone Taliban like behavior doesn't mean the rest of us have to.  When did the left begin to embrace book burning, banning and tearing down statues?  What the hell happened to you people?

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15 minutes ago, Shady said:

Just because you condone Taliban like behavior doesn't mean the rest of us have to.  When did the left begin to embrace book burning, banning and tearing down statues?  What the hell happened to you people?

I guess it was just time for the left-wing backlash.  So when's the big right-wing backlash due or was that it during the give-me-freedom-or-give-me-COVID protests?

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I guess it was just time for the left-wing backlash.  So when's the big right-wing backlash due or was that it during the give-me-freedom-or-give-me-COVID protests?

I'm not sure, but when they take place, no property will be destroyed, nobody will be injured or killed.   Interesting huh?

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1 minute ago, Shady said:

I'm not sure, but when they take place, no property will be destroyed, nobody will be injured or killed.   Interesting huh?

Yeah I just wonder what would happen if a bunch of armed lefties decided to storm a legislature.  Would you expect police to just stand aside and be cowed into doing nothing like they did the first time?

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11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah I just wonder what would happen if a bunch of armed lefties decided to storm a legislature.  Would you expect police to just stand aside and be cowed into doing nothing like they did the first time?

I'm not sure what you mean by storm.  But if no laws are being broken, the police won't have to do anything.  Which is exactly what happened in Michigan.  Interesting huh?

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39 minutes ago, Shady said:

I'm not sure what you mean by storm.  But if no laws are being broken, the police won't have to do anything.  Which is exactly what happened in Michigan.  Interesting huh?

Yeah it just goes to show what a bunch of pussies the big right-wing backlash was composed of. Seriously, that was it?  

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yeah it just goes to show what a bunch of pussies the big right-wing backlash was composed of. Seriously, that was it?  

There's nothing wrong with peaceful protests.  Do you think Martin Luther King and Mahatma Ghandi were pussies too?   That's an interesting insight into your mentality though.  

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19 minutes ago, Shady said:

There's nothing wrong with peaceful protests.  Do you think Martin Luther King and Mahatma Ghandi were pussies too?   That's an interesting insight into your mentality though.  

Hey, even the Dalai Lama allowed that violence is sometimes necessary in one's own defense.

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On 6/10/2020 at 8:53 PM, Zeitgeist said:

https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/10017802-online-petition-calls-for-renaming-of-winston-churchill-boulevard-in-mississauga/
 

So, the first leader to declare war on Hitler and Nazism is under fire with calls to change the name of Sir Winston Churchill Blvd. Thoughts?

We need permission to get rid of comrade Trudeau before he can finish off Canada forever. 

Hey, maybe that city can change the name from Churchill to Trudeau Street? I think that comrade Trudeau would really like that. Lol. 

[Rue 1,183]

On 7/8/2020 at 1:21 PM, eyeball said:

Hey, even the Dalai Lama allowed that violence is sometimes necessary in one's own defense.

You are referring to this inaccurate pulled out of context quote: "The Dalai Lama, head of Vajrayana Buddhism is quoted as saying, " If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. " (Seattle Times, May 15, 2001) " from Wikipedia.

The problem with quoting wikipedia is if it quotes a  newspaper article and you simply parrot the news article they reproduced, it may not be accurate.

Any Buddhist will tell you the concept of "ahimsa" is fundamentally opposed to any concept of anger or violence.There is a history of discussing and defending armed force: http://himalaya.socanth.cam.ac.uk/collections/journals/ret/pdf/ret_31_28.pdf .However it would be inaccurate to equate such discussions with justifying people having political tantrums and destroying property.  It completely removes the reference you use and others out of their SPECIFIC not unlimited contexts. Buddhists will and have engaged in protest against governments. They are usually peaceful or at their worst and we saw it in Vietnam they will light themselves on fire, no one else. In fact Buddhist doctrine is not clear at all on how much force is considered reasonable to defend oneself and when one can or can not defend themselves.It certainly would not condone using it as a choice of expression of a view, and only endorse it in a specified context as a limited, unemotional controlled  exercise and as a last resort in saving of a life.

The current Dalai Lama did not lament over Ben Laden's death but to say he endorses violence is bullshit.

Next contrary to popular belief he is not the expression of unified agreement of all Buddhists.

The most accurate description if you must stereotype Buddhists if of their use of martial arts. To use self-defence it would have to be disciplined, never initiated, done with complete control of emotions, with strategic purpose and only as is necessary to defend against not initiate violence and with absence of malice and anger.

The idiots we are talking about smashing property and screaming are spoiled brats acting out feelings of self entitlement. They engage in the very behaviour Eastern disciplines like Taoism and Buddhism sought to evolve past.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Rue

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On 7/10/2020 at 3:30 PM, taxme said:

We need permission to get rid of comrade Trudeau before he can finish off Canada forever. 

Hey, maybe that city can change the name from Churchill to Trudeau Street? I think that comrade Trudeau would really like that. Lol. 

Your post does not discuss the issue at all. Trudeau is not the issue. Stop derailing the thread.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Rue

[Rue 1,183]

Bubber you and Shady could do less with the name calling and more with the references when making your comments. Take it from me who never calls anyone name syou two jack asses. (joking)

Here to your point:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too

 

Here to Shady's point

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

The two are what both of you and many others base their perceptions.

Bottom line is that most people who died or have had complications from Covid 19 have some kind of pre-existing medical issue that usally impacts on their immunity  system that makes getting Covid 19 potentially life threatening, i.e., diabetes, asthma, lupus, any kind of cancer, heart disease, liver or kidney disease, any kind of blood clotting illness, hyper-thyroidism, smokers, people with CPD,  who are overweight, have arthritis, psoriasis, ms, md, als, pretty much the xact same issue as with any flue or virus. Nothing has changed in that regard as Covid is just another virus and in that sense it brings along with it the same threats to people with compromised health.

That said what makes it unique is that doctor's have no clue why some people show zero negative symptoms and others can die from it when BOTH have NO underlying medical conditions.

Initial studies focused on people who died from it who were mostly older people with underlying issues or people with chronic conditions.

Now as it has been around longer, and it has spread to otherwise healthy people, doctors think there are different strains of it now, and that your dna has a lot to do with whether it kills you, harms you, or does nothing to you.

The problem is you can have it and have zero symptoms of any kind and therefore could easily be spreading it to others not knowing you have it.

What we are now seeing are rates increasing with healthy young Americans who have been gathering in condensed crowds on beaches or at parties. We now know speaking, singing, yelling transmits microscopic water droplets.

When you are out in the open maintaining space, those droplets are much more likely to travel and drop and not on you or your clothes . If you are in a crowded outdoor place, yes you can catch it from healthy people of course if you are not properly spaced.

We have seen healthy athletes trying to quarantine failing to avoid it.

We also know if you go inside poor air circulation and air conditioning systems incubate and spread it.

Like any virus confined poor circulating air re-pumped provides a moist place to grow.

You are both right in the sense that many healthy people do not get it but other healthy people have.

The stats are not definitive but I go with John Hopkins on this as are most doctors arguing safe distancing is a must outside and inside.

I think because of our existing laws, since employers are obliged to guarantee safe work places, poor air circulation is going to make it problematic for many employers to take back workers in phase 3 or any other return phase without facing major liability exposure.

Bottom line-I would think until they come up with a vaccine there is no way to stop the spread and even that vaccine may have limitations for only certain strains or for limited time period.

What is also known for sure now is people who have had Covid 19 do not build up a permanent herd immunity At best they have a temporary immunity of a few weeks.

So anyone can get it, get it again and spread it no differently that any virus, including the common cold and flu.

[taxme 957]

7 hours ago, Rue said:

Your post does not discuss the issue at all. Trudeau is not the issue. Stop derailing the thread.

 

7 hours ago, Rue said:

Bubber you and Shady could do less with the name calling and more with the references when making your comments. Take it from me who never calls anyone name syou two jack asses. (joking)

Here to your point:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-and-covid-19-younger-adults-are-at-risk-too

 

Here to Shady's point

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

The two are what both of you and many others base their perceptions.

Bottom line is that most people who died or have had complications from Covid 19 have some kind of pre-existing medical issue that usally impacts on their immunity  system that makes getting Covid 19 potentially life threatening, i.e., diabetes, asthma, lupus, any kind of cancer, heart disease, liver or kidney disease, any kind of blood clotting illness, hyper-thyroidism, smokers, people with CPD,  who are overweight, have arthritis, psoriasis, ms, md, als, pretty much the xact same issue as with any flue or virus. Nothing has changed in that regard as Covid is just another virus and in that sense it brings along with it the same threats to people with compromised health.

That said what makes it unique is that doctor's have no clue why some people show zero negative symptoms and others can die from it when BOTH have NO underlying medical conditions.

Initial studies focused on people who died from it who were mostly older people with underlying issues or people with chronic conditions.

Now as it has been around longer, and it has spread to otherwise healthy people, doctors think there are different strains of it now, and that your dna has a lot to do with whether it kills you, harms you, or does nothing to you.

The problem is you can have it and have zero symptoms of any kind and therefore could easily be spreading it to others not knowing you have it.

What we are now seeing are rates increasing with healthy young Americans who have been gathering in condensed crowds on beaches or at parties. We now know speaking, singing, yelling transmits microscopic water droplets.

When you are out in the open maintaining space, those droplets are much more likely to travel and drop and not on you or your clothes . If you are in a crowded outdoor place, yes you can catch it from healthy people of course if you are not properly spaced.

We have seen healthy athletes trying to quarantine failing to avoid it.

We also know if you go inside poor air circulation and air conditioning systems incubate and spread it.

Like any virus confined poor circulating air re-pumped provides a moist place to grow.

You are both right in the sense that many healthy people do not get it but other healthy people have.

The stats are not definitive but I go with John Hopkins on this as are most doctors arguing safe distancing is a must outside and inside.

I think because of our existing laws, since employers are obliged to guarantee safe work places, poor air circulation is going to make it problematic for many employers to take back workers in phase 3 or any other return phase without facing major liability exposure.

Bottom line-I would think until they come up with a vaccine there is no way to stop the spread and even that vaccine may have limitations for only certain strains or for limited time period.

What is also known for sure now is people who have had Covid 19 do not build up a permanent herd immunity At best they have a temporary immunity of a few weeks.

So anyone can get it, get it again and spread it no differently that any virus, including the common cold and flu.

You have one bloody nerve to tell me to stop derailing this thread. Where in this post did you mention the name Churchill? Come on. show me where? Are you ever going to be able to think before you speak? Is it even possible for you to do so? 

[taxme 957]

7 hours ago, Rue said:

Your post does not discuss the issue at all. Trudeau is not the issue. Stop derailing the thread.

On the contrary. I have discussed this topic many times here already. Check it out before you speak. Trudeau is every issue. No doubt one or some of his liberal supporting commie ilk came up with this stupid lame duck idea of wanting to change the Churchill name. What next? Change the name of Prince Edward Island maybe so as not to keep offending those anti-British french liberal socialist morons from Quebec. Let's get rid of that British name also. Or try and change the name of British Columbia to something else so as not to keep offending the Native Indians or the french liberals from Quebec living here in BC. Hey, why don't we just get rid of everything associated with our British heritage and culture and be done with it? That should make your ilk quite happy, right? Why don't we just get rid of all names on all street and highway signs in the name of multiculturalism and diversity and replace all names with numbers. There problem solved. Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I am against the changing of the name Churchill. That would be an insult and be quite offensive to me and my British culture and heritage to do so.

PS: Your latest post shows that you already went off topic, and it would appear as though you are the one here who is trying to derail this thread. Hello?????   

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On 6/11/2020 at 5:56 AM, bcsapper said:

Churchill was what he was.  He's probably one of the most written about people in history, so there's nothing hidden. 

If petty people want to indulge themselves, and the cowards in charge want to let them, there's nothing to be done.  I'm not masking up and heading to the barricades. 

I still have my books.

For now.

Two thumbs up for that, bcsapper.

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On 6/11/2020 at 6:27 AM, scribblet said:

Book burnings are next.  Renaming and pulling Statues of  Winston Churchill is a step too far, no doubt most people harboured those thoughts in those days, but their greater good outweighs that.   This has to stop, but how?

Great question, scribblet.  I wish I had an answer for you but at every turn it is the whingers and whiners, those who eagerly embrace victim-hood, the spineless and all those who reject personal responsibility in favor of becoming one of the mindless herd who get the headlines and let's face it, it's only the headlines a lot of people pay attention to these days.

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On 7/8/2020 at 10:21 AM, eyeball said:

Hey, even the Dalai Lama allowed that violence is sometimes necessary in one's own defense.

In defense of what?  Just what are those rioting in the streets defending?  Their right to vandalize?  Their right to destroy private businesses and people's livelihoods?  Their right to hold cities hostage?   Sheesh.

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17 hours ago, mowich said:

In defense of what? 

In defence of one's life or that of a loved one.

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Just what are those rioting in the streets defending?  Their right to vandalize?  Their right to destroy private businesses and people's livelihoods?  Their right to hold cities hostage?  

They're defending against that which they've come to believe is imperilling their lives. I still don't think a clearly articulated more focused description of what it is that people are specifically afraid of and angry at might explain the unfocused nature of attacks from city to region and from many quarters.

The predominant thrust thus far has been on race and systemic racism but I think there's a more generalized undercurrent of rebelliousness towards systemic authoritarianism.

This is reflected in the fact that both right and left and racial groups talk of liberty and freedom and its in keeping with what I've been thinking and saying for years around here that the bigger struggle humanity is engaged in at the moment is between governments and the governed.  My sense remains that without seriously robust systems of accountability at the very highest levels of all systems of human governance that everything will continue barrelling down the same unsustainable course to disaster.

We need to revolutionize our very nature if we're to survive into the future.  It's time to adapt or die.

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Sheesh.

Yep...it is what it is.

BTW seen the latest climate change news? As with social dysfunction we need to start adapting 20 years ago. 

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