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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We buy that cheap landfill shit from someone else or do without.  You can't find it in yourself to match or even better our grandparents sacrifices?  They did without all sorts of things while putting their principles first.

Kowtowing is now an act of patriotism? Some army guy you turned out to be. Also sounds like what you're saying is that we can't depend on our allies. Colour me surprised.  As for Canadians who visit dodgy countries, they need to take responsibility for putting themselves in peril not to mention us by making themselves into potential hostages.  To me they're more like these reckless daredevils who go off established trails or unprepared into dangerous seas and putting search and rescue personnel at risk.  

That's what I said. If Canada truly believes China's money is more important than our lives and we should stop 'borrowing' it to save our economy why should I feel any compunction at eschewing Canada's grudging handouts and getting my hands on as much compensation as I can while the getting's good?

If it was that easy why have we not done it yet. There comes a time when you have to know how to pick your battles, Canada/ China is not a battle it is a small speed bump for china....Look I've already been down that rabbit hole, tag your it, suit the fu** up Charlie brown, if this is the hill you want to die on, giver .... if not time to STFU.... Other Canadians around you don't care, nor will they have your back when you get back, because it cost to much .....shit i'll even come on down to shake your hand, and wish you luck.... thats all you'll get from this nation....Welcome to the Canadian vets world, buckle the Frig up it's going to be a bumpy ride.... PS get extra insurance your going to need it... 

 

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43 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If the rest of the world jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?

No, and that said why are you people so all prepared to say fuck it economics trump virtue it's just killing old farts anyway?  May you should do dictators a favour and round up the lefties for them. God knows you people whine incessantly about lefties...you've got some nerve talking about following idiots off a cliff. 

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Our economic growth is going to be toast for a while because lefties killed our oil industry. 

Like I said DO something about it round us up kill us off, you know you wanna, quit whining or STFU.

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Lefties also support giving free money to everyone.  So we're burning the candle at both ends.  In my city there's a big lack workers applying for low wage jobs because they can make as much or more on the CERB.   If you're not actively sending out resumes you should be cut off, as is the requirement under EI.

Yeah and you gotta love how people pump up that resentment eh?  We're fast approaching an age when automation and AI will make joblessness endemic and people still imagine or insist we should proceed into this future with an attitude that everyone will still be just as responsible for carrying their own weight so they can justify their existence to a bunch of cranks who are still fortunate enough to have jobs.

In my town workers resent having to work knowing people are making as much on CERB. The only way around that as I see it is to share the work that's available.  I would have been more than happy to put in a shift and share the risk to give friends and people I've known for years a break. But more importantly to alleviate the resentment and the truly poisonous effect it's having on our society.

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31 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

If it was that easy why have we not done it yet. There comes a time when you have to know how to pick your battles, Canada/ China is not a battle it is a small speed bump for china....Look I've already been down that rabbit hole, tag your it, suit the fu** up Charlie brown, if this is the hill you want to die on, giver .... if not time to STFU.... Other Canadians around you don't care, nor will they have your back when you get back, because it cost to much .....shit i'll even come on down to shake your hand, and wish you luck.... thats all you'll get from this nation....Welcome to the Canadian vets world, buckle the Frig up it's going to be a bumpy ride.... PS get extra insurance your going to need it... 

 

Yeah well like I said you should get your hands on as much compensation too while you can if it's really going to come down to everyone for themselves.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

.. they don't give a rats ass if you can't pay the rent, or feed your family....

again you are missing the big picture.    They can throw people on the street if the majority are still in their houses.    When it comes to throwing the majority out on the street, they can only kiss my ass or suck my dick, whatever they prefer; they cannot do it.  This is why Trudeau is paying the CERB, not that he is just stupid and wants to look good.

Use your head more, read CBC less and relax!

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42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like I said DO something about it round us up kill us off, you know you wanna, quit whining or STFU.

I don't hate lefties, sometimes a lot of them think with their hearts instead of their brains is all.

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah and you gotta love how people pump up that resentment eh?  We're fast approaching an age when automation and AI will make joblessness endemic and people still imagine or insist we should proceed into this future with an attitude that everyone will still be just as responsible for carrying their own weight so they can justify their existence to a bunch of cranks who are still fortunate enough to have jobs.

In my town workers resent having to work knowing people are making as much on CERB. The only way around that as I see it is to share the work that's available.  I would have been more than happy to put in a shift and share the risk to give friends and people I've known for years a break. But more importantly to alleviate the resentment and the truly poisonous effect it's having on our society.

I don't have a problem with the CERB, but you need to have limits and qualifiers to it when you're handing out hundreds of billions of dollars.  You can't have people starve but you can't let people sit on their ass getting paid when they don't have to.  I work right now full-time and I don't resent people who can't work if there's no jobs.  I do resent people sitting on their ass when some of them should be looking for work though.

Justin Trudeau has been a pampered spoiled prince his entire life who has had everything handed to him on a silver platter, I don't expect him to understand this concept.

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44 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 I do resent people sitting on their ass when some of them should be looking for work though.

And this reminds me of another problem we have.  People find work which is given to them and often times we are better off if same work wasn't done at all.

I wouldn't send someone to a mine or an oil rig or netting fish in the ocean just so they do some work.   If their work is not needed they better not do anything.

But I hear immigrants keep on coming in, despite pandemic concerns and poor job markets.  This is what makes zero sense to me, not the CERB.

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14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

This is one of my points we just spent 343 billion dollars and the left did not even blink "relax they say it will get paid off soon," wait for it, it is expected to go up to 600 bil by 2021, wait for it again, we still do not have a plan to transition back to normal that is not costed yet....So if we can spend 600 billion like it was a normal shooping day, WHY can we not solve a few of our national problems along the way, i would say 60 bil is a deal to solve 4  major problems...i mean whats 60 bil compared to 600 billion, it sure would make alot of Canadians feel betterif we had something to show for all that money...

You know and i know unless Canada is going to directly administer that funding it's going to line someone else pocket. Very little will get down to the people that need it , if you don't ...

You are using scare tactics. All economists are saying that the debt will come down next year as the pandemic related government aids this tear over 200 billion will end and economy will grow at 5.5% so where on earth do you get the 600 bil figure for next year, Already due to partial opening last month alone close to a million new jobs was created.

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9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In my city there's a big lack workers applying for low wage jobs because they can make as much or more on the

If someone's full time job pays them less than $2,000 a month, maybe that's the real problem.  If you had rent of $1000 a month, and a choice between an income of $1800 and $2000, which would you take?  Its pretty easy, when you have more than enough money coming in, to forget how hard it is to live on the edge.  Many of the "working poor" are already sleeping rough, and there'll be many more of those because of this pandemic, even with the "princely" sum of $2,000.

Anyway, most of those jobs are going to be in the service industry, and in the lower mainland and Kelowna we've already had outbreaks related to activity in restaurants, bars and strip joints.  Perhaps those people aren't so much lazy, as they are hesitant about putting themselves/their family in harm's way.

Not to mention, Canada added back over a million jobs in June, and experts think even more will come in July.

There more to consider than just " people are too lazy to work".  

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Lefties also support giving free money to everyone. 

Righties support throwing children into the street so rich people can get richer.

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15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

If someone's full time job pays them less than $2,000 a month, maybe that's the real problem.

Minimum wage jobs already pay more than the job is worth. People need to increase their skill levels and make themselves more valuable as employees if they want more.

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

 Its pretty easy, when you have more than enough money coming in, to forget how hard it is to live on the edge. 

I remember quite well what it was like living on barely over minimum wage. I also remember making lots of effort to find better, and doing a series of crummy jobs just to make my resume look better.

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Many of the "working poor" are already sleeping rough,

Not true. The homeless are almost entirely made up of addicts.

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

There more to consider than just " people are too lazy to work".  

He didn't say they were lazy. But it's a natural human condition that if you're paid to do nothing you'll do nothing. I certainly would have taken the money and sat on my ass back in the day instead of carrying a heavy pack out the door at midnight to go work a twelve hour shift as a security guard.

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Righties support throwing children into the street so rich people can get richer.

Ridiculous hyperbole. What the Left never has understood is that there are no perfect solutions to the issue of economic disparities.  There is no nirvana where everyone has as much as they need. Not when the term 'need' is so easily expanded. The best way to give everyone the best chance for a better life is to ensure you have a robust economy which needs to hire lots of workers. High taxes gets in the way of that.

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9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't hate lefties, sometimes a lot of them think with their hearts instead of their brains is all.

That's a good thing. Conservatives seem to switch gears between the two a lot - one minute it's all about producing good paying jobs for hard-working Canadians and the next it's about lazy Canadians who are uncompetitive.  

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I don't have a problem with the CERB, but you need to have limits and qualifiers to it when you're handing out hundreds of billions of dollars.  You can't have people starve but you can't let people sit on their ass getting paid when they don't have to.  I work right now full-time and I don't resent people who can't work if there's no jobs.  I do resent people sitting on their ass when some of them should be looking for work though.

Try offering them more pay. Conservatives seem to talk like they're aware of the need to incentivize the workplace but perhaps that's just when they're using their hearts.  I can earn about half of what I'm used to thru AirBnb, a 'livelihood' that's perched between a deep social desire to eliminate it and another lockdown. We've recouped the bookings we saw evaporate when the first lockdown happened, the company I worked for saw nearly a million in bookings go up in smoke and will remain shut down, I could be shut down again at any moment.    Should we all just move to where the work is or something?  Pay rent on top of a mortgage never mind fitting in with locals who will resent outsiders coming and competing against them?  We'll be able to scrape by assuming there's no lockdown until fall but we're one of the lucky ones.  Accommodation providers are at about 80% capacity where I live compared to 20% in Vancouver and people are getting very nervous and resentful about the numbers of tourists who are visiting my area and fingering accommodation providers who've opened up as being to inviting.  Uncertainty is so thick you could cut it with a knife and BC just recorded the largest daily increase since May.

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Justin Trudeau has been a pampered spoiled prince his entire life who has had everything handed to him on a silver platter, I don't expect him to understand this concept.

I don't expect very many millionaires do.

In any case I'm still left wondering how long people will be willing to curb their resentment in a increasingly automated workplace in which human beings are unnecessary.    

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16 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...we still do not have a plan to transition back to normal that is not costed yet...

I guess it's safe to assume then that no one is planning for the possibility that what's happening is and will be what we refer to as normal from now on.

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12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Perhaps it was your exclamation Really! that thru me off. I've gotten too used to the disenguity often on display around here and read it as just another example.

Please accept my apologies. 

Not sure why exclamation would caused such a misunderstanding but I have many posts here fiercely attacking dictatorships in Iran, Syria, Russia and China so I was shocked to see your comments. I mean what kind of person would I be if I support these murderous regime especially the ones in Iran and Syria? That is okay though as misunderstanding happens my apology too.

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4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Minimum wage jobs already pay more than the job is worth.

Funny, isn't it, how its the services in the service sector that we've missed the most, eh?  Grocery store clerks - designated an essential service.  Gas station attendants - didn't see them shutting down. Farm workers - crops grow, even if the harvesters are stuck in Mexico - BC is currently crying out for farm workers. Restaurants, bars, hair and nail salons - people really missed those places, couldn't wait for their reopening. 

Who hasn't really been missed, even as business dried up and staff got sent home?  Those high paying jobs.  Lawyer's offices closed, mechanics sitting on their asses, retail giants collapsing, throwing their "professionals" out of work too.  

That low-paying service sector job is arguably more important to our society than any number of the higher paid jobs in our society.  

28 minutes ago, Argus said:

Not true. The homeless are almost entirely made up of addicts.

The facts say otherwise.  Yes, many of the homeless are addicts, no argument.  Many are mentally ill.  And many have jobs that don't pay enough for both housing and food, including the "hidden homeless", who couch surf or live in their car.  1 in 7 Canadians currently experience housing insecurity, which means any reduction or interruption of income will leave them homeless.  

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

Ridiculous hyperbole.

Funny how you never flag the ridiculous hyperbole directed toward "lefties", hmmm.  Nope, as a matter of fact you are one of the best at using ridiculous hyperbole to describe the views of any group you, personally, dislike.

1 hour ago, Argus said:

there are no perfect solutions to the issue of economic disparities.  There is no nirvana where everyone has as much as they need.

I think there is a nervana where everyone can get what they "need", but not what they necessarily "want."  A place to live, healthy food and medical care - any truly civilized society should be able to do that much for its citizens.  Canada does pretty well, better than many countries, and could do better - were it not for backward moral judgements that assume homeless and poverty-stricken people are there of their own volition or that wealthy people are there entirely due to their own efforts.  In both instances circumstances out of the individual's  control, and even luck, plays a role.

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13 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Funny, isn't it, how its the services in the service sector that we've missed the most, eh? 

A job is worth what an employer has to pay to get someone able to do it. No more, no less. Which is more important to have? A toilet or a car? Should the toilet cost as much as the car, then?

13 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The facts say otherwise.  Yes, many of the homeless are addicts, no argument.  Many are mentally ill.  And many have jobs that don't pay enough for both housing and food, including the "hidden homeless", who couch surf or live in their car.  1 in 7 Canadians currently experience housing insecurity, which means any reduction or interruption of income will leave them homeless.  

That's because of low skills on their part, and a highly expensive housing market driven largely by government regulations, taxes and fees.

13 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I think there is a nervana where everyone can get what they "need", but not what they necessarily "want." 

Well then we're there. You don't 'need' a cell phone or internet or computer games or alcohol or cable or big screen TVs or designer clothes. In fact, when I worked as a clerk some of the others had trouble getting by even on a $35k salary. But there was a married guy with a wife and two kids who got by fine. They just did without all the electronics, and the wife was very good at buying and making food from scatch.

 

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24 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Funny, isn't it, how its the services in the service sector that we've missed the most, eh?  

That low-paying service sector job is arguably more important to our society than any number of the higher paid jobs in our society.

Just so much cannon fodder to the "adults" in the economy. All a prole really needs is a condescending pat on the head an attaboy / attagirl and a reminder that if they work hard and rollup their sleeves even they can growup to be billionaires one day too.

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10 minutes ago, Argus said:

expensive housing market driven largely by government regulations, taxes and fees.

And high number of new immigrants into this country. More than what a country of only 30 million can absorb.

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Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

And high number of new immigrants into this country. More than what a country of only 30 million can absorb.

Yes, demand fuels costs. But we could build enough to satisfy demand were it not for a myriad of local and provincial regulations which add, according to the CD Howe Institute, an average $229k per house.   https://financialpost.com/real-estate/regulations-cost-single-family-home-buyers-an-extra-229000-on-average-study

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37 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

And high number of new immigrants into this country. More than what a country of only 30 million can absorb.

What are supposed to do with being told all our lives that our economy depends on an endlessly growing number of Canadians not to mention the revenues the CPP requires?

I'm not putting much faith in the opinions of penny pinching conservatives who think we should incentivize Canadians to have more kids. Who pays for that, fed up already hard done by taxpayers?

Maybe the plan is to make Canadians as poor as people in places where they need a big pile of kids to help bring in a few more pennies a day to their family's coffers. Sure, that and a pat on the head and they'll all grow up to be millionairs in no time.

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53 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yes, demand fuels costs. But we could build enough to satisfy demand were it not for a myriad of local and provincial regulations which add, according to the CD Howe Institute, an average $229k per house.   https://financialpost.com/real-estate/regulations-cost-single-family-home-buyers-an-extra-229000-on-average-study

I've been involved with local planning where I live for decades now. Do you realize just how many of these regulations are a result of people democratically electing to have by-laws to keep their communities livable? Be aware my involvement in local governance is partly based on my sense that I'll be in a better position to protect myself and my neighbours from over-regulation that prevents us from utilizing our properties in ways that can support us financially.  I love it when I'm castigated for having a permitted legal  vacation rental and being told I should rent my space full time to a needy local.  The fact rules don't allow for that doesn't seem to matter nor does the fact that housing shortages have been here for decades.  I had to live on a beach for the 1st month and a half when I moved here 47 years ago.  There's always been rules against that too and people are still being flushed out of little illegal  homesteads around here.

I should add I moved here because that's where the work was. Funny dat eh?

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3 hours ago, dialamah said:

Righties support throwing children into the street so rich people can get richer.

Yes there's a lot of really stupid righties and lefties.  I assume this is because there's a lot of stupid people in general.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

In any case I'm still left wondering how long people will be willing to curb their resentment in a increasingly automated workplace in which human beings are unnecessary.    

The first industrial revolution caused people to turn to communism and fascism.  That was fun.  I assume people will go crazy again.

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Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

The first industrial revolution caused people to turn to communism and fascism.  That was fun.  I assume people will go crazy again.

I thought it was the greedy penny-pinching owners and captains of the means of production and resources that caused that.

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5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes there's a lot of really stupid righties and lefties.  I assume this is because there's a lot of stupid people in general.

Not stupid enough to 2nd guess experts though.

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24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What are supposed to do with being told all our lives that our economy depends on an endlessly growing number of Canadians not to mention the revenues the CPP requires?

 

Of course you will be told that.  This is the core of the Ponzi scheme.  New players getting into the game.

We are going in circles here.   Army Guy feared he had to contribute to the repayment of the high national debt.    I am saying no worries, debt is not real; just someone asking for interest on interest which, if they are smart enough, they know they will not get.  All they can get is that indebtedness as in absolute control to do what they want.

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1 hour ago, cougar said:

Of course you will be told that.  This is the core of the Ponzi scheme.  New players getting into the game.

We are going in circles here.   Army Guy feared he had to contribute to the repayment of the high national debt.    I am saying no worries, debt is not real; just someone asking for interest on interest which, if they are smart enough, they know they will not get.  All they can get is that indebtedness as in absolute control to do what they want.

Ponzie scheme, they, game?

You really need to flesh these 'concepts' out.

They..... I'm sorry but for all we know They could be anything from a cabal of the wealthiest people on the planet to the Galactic Confederacy.

'We' seem to be going in increasingly loopier circles these days.

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