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Another example of how well our courts really work, this example is from Ontario, a chick from Ont bragged about driving drunk on social media, then she kills someone on a peddle bike her sentence was parole....now she has been found guilty of a 3 rd offense and she is finally given jail time...1 1/2 years...I mean sweet holy F***, she is a repeat offender, plus she has killed someone already,  what does it take to get this person off the road....maybe it is just me but does the court have their heads up their asses....and the judges involved how do they explain to the family who's husband she killed that she received parole and has been caught a 3 rd time...I think we can post this on the WTF wall, on how imperfect our justice system is....She clearly gave the judge the finger on this one, after he gave her parole for killing someone....and then on the third conviction a whooping year and a half , which converts to what in time spent in jail 6 months...now thats a deterrent...

 

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What should be a minimum sentence for taking a life while driving impaired ?... there is no standard, The judges say every case is different , and yet the are all the same.... it involves someone that is drunk, " lets also note every driver in Canada knows it's against the law, and not tolerated in any province"...and someone that is innocent who paid for that mistake with their life..

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I think it should be addressed earlier on - most people don't kill anyone the first time they drive drunk and usually have previous court appearances. 

My opinion is that a first offense results in those in-vehicle breathalizers and out-patient addiction treatment of a minimum six months, will jail time for non compliance   Second  offense - in-person addction treatment, six months minimum and minimum one year loss of licence.  Third offense, jail time, probation and loss of licence until proof of long term sobriety  - at least a year, maybe as long as 5 years.

Or something along those lines.  I've a friend who realized he had to stop driving drunk when he smucked up a work vehicle and had to use the in-vehicle breathalyzers in his work truck as well as his personal vehicle.  Ever since, he's been religious about using transit or taxi if he's been drinking.

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because booze is the drug of choice for society in general, it gets a big pass in courts.  A-G has been around the military long enough to know it is the drug that is used to promote esprit-de-corps.   When you see a parking lot full of cars behind/beside EVERY bar in Canada every Friday and Saturday night, how can "law enforcement" possibly just sit by knowing a significant number of those vehicles are going to be driven by drunks that very night - and they do little or nothing?  Why?  Because their off-duty members may well be inside too.

Drugs are indeed a HUGE problem in Canada, but the idea that booze is somehow not part of that problem is ludicrous.

I don't care if someone is on the first, second, third or murderous drunk drive:  get caught (and let's see a real effort TO doing the catching) and you are a pedestrian for life.  Get caught driving after that and off to jail...for a long time.  Kill someone driving drunk and it is federal time, none of this namby-pamby "high school of crime" provincial holiday, but find out what a murderer's life SHOULD be like.

BTW:  I think the number needs to be closer to 0.2% than 0.8.

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3 hours ago, cannuck said:

because booze is the drug of choice for society in general, it gets a big pass in courts.  A-G has been around the military long enough to know it is the drug that is used to promote esprit-de-corps.   When you see a parking lot full of cars behind/beside EVERY bar in Canada every Friday and Saturday night, how can "law enforcement" possibly just sit by knowing a significant number of those vehicles are going to be driven by drunks that very night - and they do little or nothing?  Why?  Because their off-duty members may well be inside too.

Drugs are indeed a HUGE problem in Canada, but the idea that booze is somehow not part of that problem is ludicrous.

I don't care if someone is on the first, second, third or murderous drunk drive:  get caught (and let's see a real effort TO doing the catching) and you are a pedestrian for life.  Get caught driving after that and off to jail...for a long time.  Kill someone driving drunk and it is federal time, none of this namby-pamby "high school of crime" provincial holiday, but find out what a murderer's life SHOULD be like.

BTW:  I think the number needs to be closer to 0.2% than 0.8.

We live in a liberal society where it would appear as though the victim was the problem. The victim should have stayed at home that day. That is how I see things going on here in liberal justice Canada. There is no way that this criminal woman should be allowed to get away with murder. She has no regard for other people's lives nor the law. She is actually giving the finger to society. WTF is right. :unsure:

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On 8/7/2020 at 7:45 PM, Army Guy said:

Another example of how well our courts really work, this example is from Ontario, a chick from Ont bragged about driving drunk on social media, then she kills someone on a peddle bike her sentence was parole....now she has been found guilty of a 3 rd offense and she is finally given jail time...1 1/2 years...I mean sweet holy F***, she is a repeat offender, plus she has killed someone already,  what does it take to get this person off the road....maybe it is just me but does the court have their heads up their asses....and the judges involved how do they explain to the family who's husband she killed that she received parole and has been caught a 3 rd time...

This is a specific case, but it shows the problem is the courts. Courts are being overloaded with cases, and government is not providing more resource for that. It is not unlike what's happening in cities in US where the courts and jails are so full, they allow outright felons to walk away with charges dismissed. We just haven't gotten quite that far yet.

The level of enforcement in the street is already enough, IMO. They identified her. A couple times even. Job done. It's also apparent to me that the number of drunk-driving related accidents has gone down, thanks to promoting it through advertising and more public education. This adds another benefit to reducing harm, as opposed to the more gestapo-like strong arm enforcement tactics in brew pub parking lots.

 

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On 9/7/2020 at 10:52 AM, OftenWrong said:

This is a specific case, but it shows the problem is the courts. Courts are being overloaded with cases, and government is not providing more resource for that. It is not unlike what's happening in cities in US where the courts and jails are so full, they allow outright felons to walk away with charges dismissed. We just haven't gotten quite that far yet.

The level of enforcement in the street is already enough, IMO. They identified her. A couple times even. Job done. It's also apparent to me that the number of drunk-driving related accidents has gone down, thanks to promoting it through advertising and more public education. This adds another benefit to reducing harm, as opposed to the more gestapo-like strong arm enforcement tactics in brew pub parking lots.

 

Yes it is, but with a quick goggle search one could find hundreds of cases with similar results, and i understand the courts are over loaded, every government related department is over loaded with no funding relief waiting in the wings.... And i'm no lawyer, but  thought this was a no brainer, she has already taken ONE life, and knowing that she decided to get back behind the wheel hammered again, and again... I'm sure she had a tearful apology to the family when she appeared in court, as i'm sure the judge is going to get to see all the drama for a 3 rd time..... she needs a good sentence, jail time, loss of drivers lic for life, and needs to complete a spin dry course, and stay sober for life....plus she needs to make restitution to the mans family of a large sum... a life changing sum...like sell your car, your house , everything she owns or has her name attached to it....  her and her family need to pay a price...and not a 1 1/2 year sentence that is a slap in the face to everyone....

I think more enforcement is needed, it is after all the law.....tougher sentencing should be added.... 34 % of all traffic accidents involving death have booze or drugs involved ...

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-drunk-driving-death-rate-worst-among-wealthy-countries-u-s-study-finds

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On 9/7/2020 at 6:52 AM, OftenWrong said:

This is a specific case, but it shows the problem is the courts. Courts are being overloaded with cases, and government is not providing more resource for that. It is not unlike what's happening in cities in US where the courts and jails are so full, they allow outright felons to walk away with charges dismissed. We just haven't gotten quite that far yet.

The level of enforcement in the street is already enough, IMO. They identified her. A couple times even. Job done. It's also apparent to me that the number of drunk-driving related accidents has gone down, thanks to promoting it through advertising and more public education. This adds another benefit to reducing harm, as opposed to the more gestapo-like strong arm enforcement tactics in brew pub parking lots.

 

Our courts are being overloaded because of all the many laws, some stupid, and the many rules and regulations, some stupid also that pretty much make everyone in Canada a criminal of some kind. Just walking out your front door and going to your car you may have broken some useless and stupid law or rule or regulation. It's getting totally stupid out there. I will bet you that every day you and I have committed and broken at least a couple of offences of some kind against the law of the land. Be careful out there. The law is watching us all and it cannot wait to pounce on us all. Just saying!! ;)

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The problem I see here with the stiff penalties is that alcohol affects people differently.   Some are dangerous drivers even when they are not under the influence.

I for instance, have had at least two or three Christmas parties where I had consumed a fair amount of alcohol (wine) and had chosen to drive myself home, being perfectly coherent and driving the same way as usual.    

But I have also seen drunk drivers going all over the road unable to drive straight (kind of makes you wonder what this has to do with walking and keeping your balance).

So, in my case, if someone decides to commit suicide and jumps in front of my wheels, I would be in jail for doing nothing wrong, only based on the alcohol content.   

A combination of alcohol and speed though cannot be argued against.  I would definitely recommend very stiff penalties for this type of offence.

What happened to that rich young guy who wiped out a whole family at an intersection (3 young kids and their grand parents) when he was told not to drive and call a taxi?  I think they were going to let him out early?

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On 9/6/2020 at 1:59 PM, taxme said:

There is no way that this criminal woman should be allowed to get away with murder. She has no regard for other people's lives nor the law. She is actually giving the finger to society. WTF is right. :unsure:

Drunk driving is a crime and whoever does it should be punished for the act endangering innocent people's lives but it is not murder who PLANS to kill someone or purposely to take life, It is an accident that happens when someone very selfish and uncaring disregards people's lives he or she puts in danger. The two should not have same punishment'.

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On 8/11/2020 at 2:11 PM, dialamah said:

I think it should be addressed earlier on - most people don't kill anyone the first time they drive drunk and usually have previous court appearances. 

My opinion is that a first offense results in those in-vehicle breathalizers and out-patient addiction treatment of a minimum six months, will jail time for non compliance   Second  offense - in-person addction treatment, six months minimum and minimum one year loss of licence.  Third offense, jail time, probation and loss of licence until proof of long term sobriety  - at least a year, maybe as long as 5 years.

Or something along those lines.  I've a friend who realized he had to stop driving drunk when he smucked up a work vehicle and had to use the in-vehicle breathalyzers in his work truck as well as his personal vehicle.  Ever since, he's been religious about using transit or taxi if he's been drinking.

I find those to be very sensible solutions, Dia. 

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On 8/11/2020 at 6:11 PM, dialamah said:

I think it should be addressed earlier on - most people don't kill anyone the first time they drive drunk and usually have previous court appearances. 

My opinion is that a first offense results in those in-vehicle breathalizers and out-patient addiction treatment of a minimum six months, will jail time for non compliance   Second  offense - in-person addction treatment, six months minimum and minimum one year loss of licence.  Third offense, jail time, probation and loss of licence until proof of long term sobriety  - at least a year, maybe as long as 5 years.

Or something along those lines.  I've a friend who realized he had to stop driving drunk when he smucked up a work vehicle and had to use the in-vehicle breathalyzers in his work truck as well as his personal vehicle.  Ever since, he's been religious about using transit or taxi if he's been drinking.

Our justice system is all over the place, look at the truck driver that killed those hockey players in Holbolt.  the maxuim sentence are  The maximum penalty for dangerous driving causing death is 14 years and 10 years for dangerous driving causing bodily harm. He was sentenced to 8 years for an accident...

The women that killed that man should have received a similar sentence or one that is higher because hers was not an accident but a choice she made when she knew the consequences and just said fuc88 it .

RCMP have said that most people that have been caught for drinking and driving have already done so 100 times... on average, my question to you is how do you deter this behavior, we have already maximum sentences assigned and they deter not very many.

We have a guy at work who has been charged 8 times for DWI, thats just simply sticking your finger up at the law.. it has become a hobby of his, he still jokes about it. one day his luck will run  out and he will kill someone... and then what  I'm not sure how i would react if a DWI driver had killed a family member of mine that had only received probation for the crime... 

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On 11/19/2020 at 6:24 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Drunk driving is a crime and whoever does it should be punished for the act endangering innocent people's lives but it is not murder who PLANS to kill someone or purposely to take life, It is an accident that happens when someone very selfish and uncaring disregards people's lives he or she puts in danger. The two should not have same punishment'.

This great big convid 19 lie has put many people's lives in danger. Many people have already been hurt by these many lock downs and many have lost their jobs, many businesses have had to shut down, and many people have committed suicide from all of these convid 19 illegal and unconstitutional rules and regulations that have been going on for months now. 

There have only been approx. 300 deaths in BC supposedly from this virus out of a population of 5 million. Many more have died from not getting the help that they need from their needed surgeries. The opioid crises has killed way more people than this convid 19 farce ever has or will. The people who are selfish and uncaring are the people who are still falling for this China virus nonsense and lie and have been responsible for many sad suffering stories and deaths of innocent lives. Pathetic indeed. 

 

 

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On 10/29/2020 at 1:28 PM, cougar said:

The problem I see here with the stiff penalties is that alcohol affects people differently.   Some are dangerous drivers even when they are not under the influence.

I for instance, have had at least two or three Christmas parties where I had consumed a fair amount of alcohol (wine) and had chosen to drive myself home, being perfectly coherent and driving the same way as usual.    

But I have also seen drunk drivers going all over the road unable to drive straight (kind of makes you wonder what this has to do with walking and keeping your balance).

So, in my case, if someone decides to commit suicide and jumps in front of my wheels, I would be in jail for doing nothing wrong, only based on the alcohol content.   

A combination of alcohol and speed though cannot be argued against.  I would definitely recommend very stiff penalties for this type of offence.

What happened to that rich young guy who wiped out a whole family at an intersection (3 young kids and their grand parents) when he was told not to drive and call a taxi?  I think they were going to let him out early?

Your socialist liberal activist judges are the reasons why this guy will never pay a hefty price for killing all those innocent people. This is the price we all must pay now for our who really gives a chit attitude. This all about a me attitude and is what prevails in this country. If I am okay who cares what happens to others. The people who really care hardly ever get heard anyway. One can get themselves more into trouble if it looks like they have said something that appears to be racist. then those people will pay a hefty price for daring to voice their opinions and points of view. We live in a sick leftist lieberal demented country where up is now down and left is now right. So stop acting like you really care? Pretty much no one else does. Just my opinion of course. 

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