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Another example of how well our courts really work, this example is from Ontario, a chick from Ont bragged about driving drunk on social media, then she kills someone on a peddle bike her sentence was parole....now she has been found guilty of a 3 rd offense and she is finally given jail time...1 1/2 years...I mean sweet holy F***, she is a repeat offender, plus she has killed someone already,  what does it take to get this person off the road....maybe it is just me but does the court have their heads up their asses....and the judges involved how do they explain to the family who's husband she killed that she received parole and has been caught a 3 rd time...I think we can post this on the WTF wall, on how imperfect our justice system is....She clearly gave the judge the finger on this one, after he gave her parole for killing someone....and then on the third conviction a whooping year and a half , which converts to what in time spent in jail 6 months...now thats a deterrent...

 

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What should be a minimum sentence for taking a life while driving impaired ?... there is no standard, The judges say every case is different , and yet the are all the same.... it involves someone that is drunk, " lets also note every driver in Canada knows it's against the law, and not tolerated in any province"...and someone that is innocent who paid for that mistake with their life..

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I think it should be addressed earlier on - most people don't kill anyone the first time they drive drunk and usually have previous court appearances. 

My opinion is that a first offense results in those in-vehicle breathalizers and out-patient addiction treatment of a minimum six months, will jail time for non compliance   Second  offense - in-person addction treatment, six months minimum and minimum one year loss of licence.  Third offense, jail time, probation and loss of licence until proof of long term sobriety  - at least a year, maybe as long as 5 years.

Or something along those lines.  I've a friend who realized he had to stop driving drunk when he smucked up a work vehicle and had to use the in-vehicle breathalyzers in his work truck as well as his personal vehicle.  Ever since, he's been religious about using transit or taxi if he's been drinking.

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because booze is the drug of choice for society in general, it gets a big pass in courts.  A-G has been around the military long enough to know it is the drug that is used to promote esprit-de-corps.   When you see a parking lot full of cars behind/beside EVERY bar in Canada every Friday and Saturday night, how can "law enforcement" possibly just sit by knowing a significant number of those vehicles are going to be driven by drunks that very night - and they do little or nothing?  Why?  Because their off-duty members may well be inside too.

Drugs are indeed a HUGE problem in Canada, but the idea that booze is somehow not part of that problem is ludicrous.

I don't care if someone is on the first, second, third or murderous drunk drive:  get caught (and let's see a real effort TO doing the catching) and you are a pedestrian for life.  Get caught driving after that and off to jail...for a long time.  Kill someone driving drunk and it is federal time, none of this namby-pamby "high school of crime" provincial holiday, but find out what a murderer's life SHOULD be like.

BTW:  I think the number needs to be closer to 0.2% than 0.8.

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3 hours ago, cannuck said:

because booze is the drug of choice for society in general, it gets a big pass in courts.  A-G has been around the military long enough to know it is the drug that is used to promote esprit-de-corps.   When you see a parking lot full of cars behind/beside EVERY bar in Canada every Friday and Saturday night, how can "law enforcement" possibly just sit by knowing a significant number of those vehicles are going to be driven by drunks that very night - and they do little or nothing?  Why?  Because their off-duty members may well be inside too.

Drugs are indeed a HUGE problem in Canada, but the idea that booze is somehow not part of that problem is ludicrous.

I don't care if someone is on the first, second, third or murderous drunk drive:  get caught (and let's see a real effort TO doing the catching) and you are a pedestrian for life.  Get caught driving after that and off to jail...for a long time.  Kill someone driving drunk and it is federal time, none of this namby-pamby "high school of crime" provincial holiday, but find out what a murderer's life SHOULD be like.

BTW:  I think the number needs to be closer to 0.2% than 0.8.

We live in a liberal society where it would appear as though the victim was the problem. The victim should have stayed at home that day. That is how I see things going on here in liberal justice Canada. There is no way that this criminal woman should be allowed to get away with murder. She has no regard for other people's lives nor the law. She is actually giving the finger to society. WTF is right. :unsure:

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On 8/7/2020 at 7:45 PM, Army Guy said:

Another example of how well our courts really work, this example is from Ontario, a chick from Ont bragged about driving drunk on social media, then she kills someone on a peddle bike her sentence was parole....now she has been found guilty of a 3 rd offense and she is finally given jail time...1 1/2 years...I mean sweet holy F***, she is a repeat offender, plus she has killed someone already,  what does it take to get this person off the road....maybe it is just me but does the court have their heads up their asses....and the judges involved how do they explain to the family who's husband she killed that she received parole and has been caught a 3 rd time...

This is a specific case, but it shows the problem is the courts. Courts are being overloaded with cases, and government is not providing more resource for that. It is not unlike what's happening in cities in US where the courts and jails are so full, they allow outright felons to walk away with charges dismissed. We just haven't gotten quite that far yet.

The level of enforcement in the street is already enough, IMO. They identified her. A couple times even. Job done. It's also apparent to me that the number of drunk-driving related accidents has gone down, thanks to promoting it through advertising and more public education. This adds another benefit to reducing harm, as opposed to the more gestapo-like strong arm enforcement tactics in brew pub parking lots.

 

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On 9/7/2020 at 10:52 AM, OftenWrong said:

This is a specific case, but it shows the problem is the courts. Courts are being overloaded with cases, and government is not providing more resource for that. It is not unlike what's happening in cities in US where the courts and jails are so full, they allow outright felons to walk away with charges dismissed. We just haven't gotten quite that far yet.

The level of enforcement in the street is already enough, IMO. They identified her. A couple times even. Job done. It's also apparent to me that the number of drunk-driving related accidents has gone down, thanks to promoting it through advertising and more public education. This adds another benefit to reducing harm, as opposed to the more gestapo-like strong arm enforcement tactics in brew pub parking lots.

 

Yes it is, but with a quick goggle search one could find hundreds of cases with similar results, and i understand the courts are over loaded, every government related department is over loaded with no funding relief waiting in the wings.... And i'm no lawyer, but  thought this was a no brainer, she has already taken ONE life, and knowing that she decided to get back behind the wheel hammered again, and again... I'm sure she had a tearful apology to the family when she appeared in court, as i'm sure the judge is going to get to see all the drama for a 3 rd time..... she needs a good sentence, jail time, loss of drivers lic for life, and needs to complete a spin dry course, and stay sober for life....plus she needs to make restitution to the mans family of a large sum... a life changing sum...like sell your car, your house , everything she owns or has her name attached to it....  her and her family need to pay a price...and not a 1 1/2 year sentence that is a slap in the face to everyone....

I think more enforcement is needed, it is after all the law.....tougher sentencing should be added.... 34 % of all traffic accidents involving death have booze or drugs involved ...

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-drunk-driving-death-rate-worst-among-wealthy-countries-u-s-study-finds

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