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This is one of the more ugly things going down, in response to COVID-19. 

Many schools have already cancelled or postponed Fall sports. But College Football is big business for about 50-100 schools in the US. But they still don't pay their athletes. Not only that, the NCAA bans them from making money on their likeness. 

This shines a huge light on the slavery conditions NCAA football is. Universities can cancel or postpone Volleyball or Swimming because those sports don't really make any money. But millions of dollars is made on College Football. But how can you pretend NCAA Football players aren't employees when plans are made to make them play in Bubbles or in front of TV Cameras like the Pros currently are? 

Advocates say that the players want to play. I'm sure the ones that have a ticket to the pros do. But the benefit of college sports for the vast majority is the free education that comes with a scholarship. So which is it? Are they Student Athletes? Or Athlete Student. Because if a school isn't going to even have in-person classes then they certainly shouldn't have football. 

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18 minutes ago, Boges said:

Advocates say that the players want to play. I'm sure the ones that have a ticket to the pros do. But the benefit of college sports for the vast majority is the free education that comes with a scholarship. So which is it? Are they Student Athletes? Or Athlete Student. Because if a school isn't going to even have in-person classes then they certainly shouldn't have football. 

 

They are student athletes....about 450,000 each year compete in NCAA divisions for many sports...including many students from other nations like....Canada.

I was an NCAA student athlete for track and field plus match pistol/rifle, with no expectation of going "pro", like the vast majority of NCAA participants.

Volleyball is now a net positive revenue generator for many schools.

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4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

They are student athletes....about 450,000 each year compete in NCAA divisions for many sports...including many students from other nations like....Canada.

I was an NCAA student athlete for track and field plus match pistol/rifle, with no expectation of going "pro", like the vast majority of NCAA participants.

Volleyball is now a net positive revenue generator for many schools.

Other sports are being postponed or cancelled for the fall season due to COVID. 

But, for many, football still needs to be played. Why is that? Because of the money it generates. 

If they're being treated differently on that basis, they should also be compensated for the risk they're being asked to take. 

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2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Other sports are being postponed or cancelled for the fall season due to COVID. 

But, for many, football still needs to be played. Why is that? Because of the money it generates. 

If they're being treated differently on that basis, they should also be compensated for the risk they're being asked to take. 

 

Not if they voluntarily participate....are other students compensated for robotics, chess club, marching band, cheerleading, dance lines, etc. ?

Most of the NCAA Division I - III football players know they will never play professional football, or even want to.

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Not if they voluntarily participate....are other students compensated for robotics, chess club, marching band, cheerleading, dance lines, etc. ?

And if they don't want to play due to COVID-19, should their scholarships and eligibility remain? 

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Most of the NCAA Division I - III football players know they will never play professional football, or even want to.

This is true, so why should Power 5 football be any different? Could be because it's lining the pockets of people other than the players? 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

And if they don't want to play due to COVID-19, should their scholarships and eligibility remain?

 

Yes, and some have already opted out with those conditions.

 

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This is true, so why should Power 5 football be any different? Could be because it's lining the pockets of people other than the players? 

 

It's not....several Big Ten school ADs voted to delay or cancel the 2020 season.

The NCAA is a very large concern than goes far beyond "Power 5" football.

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10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It's not....several Big Ten school ADs voted to delay or cancel the 2020 season.

Yes, and the SEC and ACC are pledging to continue. 

Trump has said that College Football should continue and many coaches and top ranked players are contributing to the #letthemplay. 

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The NCAA is a very large concern than goes far beyond "Power 5" football.

Sure. But if they do play, it throws the whole "Student Athlete" narrative out the window. 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

Yes, and the SEC and ACC are pledging to continue. 

Trump has said that College Football should continue and many coaches and top ranked players are contributing to the #letthemplay. 

Sure. But if they do play, it throws the whole "Student Athlete" narrative out the window. 

 

Many players and coaches want football to continue...and they would remain student athletes.

Not sure what you are trying to conflate here...and failing to do so.

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Many players and coaches want football to continue...and they would remain student athletes.

Not sure what you are trying to conflate here...and failing to do so.

That they should be paid if the only consideration for continuing College Football beyond every other sport is money. 

If they do the bubble model they'd essentially be slaves in their hotel room. That's cool in the NBA when you're making $10 mil a year, but to do it for free? 

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Quick peek at the numbers...lots of Canadian student-athletes compete for American NCAA colleges and universities.

Future NBA wannabes know they will get a lot more exposure at a NCAA Division I school compared to schools in Canada.

You will get no quarrel from me on that. Many go to play Hockey as well. 

Not the point when considering Football however. 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

That they should be paid if the only consideration for continuing College Football beyond every other sport is money. 

If they do the bubble model they'd essentially be slaves in their hotel room. That's cool in the NBA when you're making $10 mil a year, but to do it for free? 

 

There's your trouble....flawed premise from the git-go....fueled by rabid anti-Trump fury.

NCAA schools have already provided education, housing, and other services for these and other students.

Thousands are rejected each year trying to get into Power 5 "slavery".

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Just now, Boges said:

You will get no quarrel from me on that. Many go to play Hockey as well. 

Not the point when considering Football however. 

 

So Canada does not provide such an opportunity at either level, but you want to shut them down anyway.....brilliant !

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

There's your trouble....flawed premise from the git-go....fueled by rabid anti-Trump fury.

NCAA schools have already provided education, housing, and other services for these and other students.

Thousands are rejected each year trying to get into Power 5 "slavery".

In a normal year, I would agree. They still should be able to make money off their likeness. But that's a personal opinion. 

But what about a year where students may not even be allowed on campus and all other sports are cancelled? 

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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

So Canada does not provide such an opportunity at either level, but you want to shut them down anyway.....brilliant !

I think in most instances they are being shut down anyway. 

If College football should only be played because of the money it generates, why shouldn't the students benefit from that? 

Title 9 is pretty irrelevant if Football is exempt. 

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Just now, Boges said:

In a normal year, I would agree. They still should be able to make money off their likeness. But that's a personal opinion. 

But what about a year where students may not even be allowed on campus and all other sports are cancelled? 

 

What about it ?    Schools will have three methods to deliver education this year, same as many primary schools across the nation.

All other sports are not canceled...many are just delayed or modified for COVID.

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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Future NBA wannabes know they will get a lot more exposure at a NCAA Division I school compared to schools in Canada.

Completely irrelevant to the issue of restarting only the college sports that make money for already rich people.  

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

I think in most instances they are being shut down anyway. 

If College football should only be played because of the money it generates, why shouldn't the students benefit from that? 

Title 9 is pretty irrelevant if Football is exempt. 

 

Student pay for play was an issue long before COVID.   

Like the rioters and protestors, you are just trying to leverage COVID for your own agenda (must hate Trump).

Why can't Canada provide these Canadians with the same opportunities, even without COVID ?

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Just now, dialamah said:

Completely irrelevant to the issue of restarting only the college sports that make money for already rich people.  

 

Wrong....Canadian students are part of the cohort that benefits from big time college sports in a foreign country (USA).

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1 hour ago, Boges said:

Other sports are being postponed or cancelled for the fall season due to COVID. 

But, for many, football still needs to be played. Why is that? Because of the money it generates. 

If they're being treated differently on that basis, they should also be compensated for the risk they're being asked to take. 

They’re not slaves.  Most of them receive free tuition.  I’m fine with postponing until spring.

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