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Good dramatization of Gagarin's flight...from "First in Space"

Russian...sorry. But self explanatory.

As you might not be aware, the Vostok was not equipped for manned landings. The pilot...Yuri in this case, had to eject before landing.

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Titan II's "Whoop"  

It was also lucky that at the time of Uranus discovery, Neptunes orbit had the two planets close together. If Neptune had been on the other side of the sun its gravity would not have affected Uranus.

A Celestia aside.... If you get the large star database and what-not...you can drift along Star Trek-like at about 1 ly per second and watch the stars streak by. Even at a blinding speed like tha

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21 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Good dramatization of Gagarin's flight...from "First in Space"

Russian...sorry. But self explanatory.

As you might not be aware, the Vostok was not equipped for manned landings. The pilot...Yuri in this case, had to eject before landing.

Glorious!

"Soyuz nerushimi, respublik svobodnik..."

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Glorious!

"Soyuz nerushimi, respublik svobodnik..."

 

I always preferred God Save The Tsar. But the Commie anthem does have some stir to it....glorious, as you mention.

 

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Apollo 14 keyhole surgery...

Changes to the design of the Apollo/Saturn V meant more safety features. Problem: you've already assembled a good chunk of the Apollo 14 stack.

Scott explains..

 

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Mars Pathfinder/Sojourner July, 1997

The first US Mars rover. The Russians had one previously...but it failed and was destroyed when it landed in a violent dust storm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Pathfinder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojourner_(rover)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_3

 

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I am a Venusian observer, whatever that means. Actually I shouldn't say that, I love all the planets equally. Yes even Pluto after what they did... bastards.

The Soviets sent a few probes to Venus. None of them lasted very long. If I recall, surface temperature 800 degrees. Atmospheric pressure on the surface of the planet was very high, and full of hydrochloric acid. A fascinating place. Somehow Russkies landed two Venera probes on it. Both probes survived for an hour and were able to send back some photographs, then went silent.

The Venera probes had detectors to "listen" for the sound of thunder in the atmosphere. Signals were detected at 100 hz, possibly indicating the presence of lightning.

Also interesting about Venus is that the temperature of the upper cloud deck is at 20 Deg. C, and the chemistry could make it suitable for life to exist.

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Also exciting was the discovery of Neptune. After planet Uranus was discovered, its orbit was found to be unusual and astronomers became aware that there was something inconsistent with their calculations. The existence of another planet was speculated, as that would explain the errant behaviour of Uranus. One of the pencil-necked geeks of the time calculated the position of the planet. By then they had telescopes good enough to see Neptune. And lo and behold, pointed to where they thought and there it was. Found by human reasoning and mathematics. Thank you Isaac Newton.

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9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I am a Venusian observer, whatever that means. Actually I shouldn't say that, I love all the planets equally. Yes even Pluto after what they did... bastards.

The Soviets sent a few probes to Venus. None of them lasted very long. If I recall, surface temperature 800 degrees. Atmospheric pressure on the surface of the planet was very high, and full of hydrochloric acid. A fascinating place. Somehow Russkies landed two Venera probes on it. Both probes survived for an hour and were able to send back some photographs, then went silent.

The Venera probes had detectors to "listen" for the sound of thunder in the atmosphere. Signals were detected at 100 hz, possibly indicating the presence of lightning.

Also interesting about Venus is that the temperature of the upper cloud deck is at 20 Deg. C, and the chemistry could make it suitable for life to exist.

 

Yes...Venera. As per previous post...

In Orbiter, attempts to land on Venus can be funny as the math starts to breakdown the nearer the surface you get. Sixty atmospheres or something crazy like that. Like flying through Jello...minus Bill Cosby. 

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9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Also exciting was the discovery of Neptune. After planet Uranus was discovered, its orbit was found to be unusual and astronomers became aware that there was something inconsistent with their calculations. The existence of another planet was speculated, as that would explain the errant behaviour of Uranus. One of the pencil-necked geeks of the time calculated the position of the planet. By then they had telescopes good enough to see Neptune. And lo and behold, pointed to where they thought and there it was. Found by human reasoning and mathematics. Thank you Isaac Newton.

 

The search for Planet X back in 1930. I think there was a prize up for grabs to the discoverer. Pluto was found using the inconsistency...but it apparently doesn't come close to accounting for all the perturbance to Neptune. Triton is one of my favorite moons...likely a captured Pluto-like TNO. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Neptunian_object

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-beyond-pluto

800px-Triton_moon_mosaic_Voyager_2_(larg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triton_(moon)

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This is a pretty good Universe simulator...free as a bird....maintained by astronomer types. Shows things like Jovian eclipses, too!

https://celestia.space/

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Motherlode: Great 3D nebula and wormholes/blackholes...includes the BIG star data base.

http://celestiamotherlode.net/

Forum...includes downloads not found elsewhere.

https://celestia.space/forum/index.php

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37 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The search for Planet X back in 1930. I think there was a prize up for grabs to the discoverer. Pluto was found using the inconsistency...but it apparently doesn't come close to accounting for all the perturbance to Neptune. Triton is one of my favorite moons...likely a captured Pluto-like TNO. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Neptunian_object

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-beyond-pluto

800px-Triton_moon_mosaic_Voyager_2_(larg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triton_(moon)

It was also lucky that at the time of Uranus discovery, Neptunes orbit had the two planets close together. If Neptune had been on the other side of the sun its gravity would not have affected Uranus.

I think the orbital periods are so long, such alignments only occur on the order of centuries.

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On 2/19/2021 at 10:22 AM, OftenWrong said:

I think the orbital periods are so long, such alignments only occur on the order of centuries.

The Great Year is estimated to be around 25k to 30,000 years before everything above us resets. The sheer amount of recorded historical data to be able to calculate that is inhuman. There are only 2 ways that that any of our astronomical public knowledge can possibly exist:

1) The earth is ridiculously old beyond belief and all astronomical historical recorded data has been preserved during all of that time;

or

2) divine intervention.

Where is all of the recorded astronomical data? Who has been preserving it??

 

 

 

On 2/18/2021 at 11:34 PM, OftenWrong said:

I am a Venusian observer, whatever that means. Actually I shouldn't say that, I love all the planets equally. Yes even Pluto after what they did... bastards.

She holds the key to our astro-geometric reality from the ground looking up.   Without her trajectory, none of the "mathematics" you hold so dear would be solvable.   In caveman's terms, we would not be able to tell whether the moon orbits us or the sun.   Venus ties all of the mathemagical physics together to prove that the moon orbits us as distinct from it orbiting the sun or the sun orbiting the moon.    

Although my eye-sight is not very good, I believe I saw venus swing by at night during the summer.  I enjoy watching them wandering stars rush past the constellations.   Last summer, there were 2 bulbs flipping  at the south/half-way point of their trajectories.   Looking out the window is better than wide-screen television ever will be!

 

 

I would be too chicken-shit be it yesterday, tomorrow or today but what do you think motivated the Apollo 7 crew at their time?   
Were they misled into a false sense of security?  or were they simply stooges with a death wish?? 

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17 hours ago, Charles Anthony said:

Where is all of the recorded astronomical data? Who has been preserving it??

It is possible that information cannot be destroyed, at some level it still exists. The universe is a database.

17 hours ago, Charles Anthony said:

Venus ties all of the mathemagical physics together to prove that the moon orbits us as distinct from it orbiting the sun or the sun orbiting the moon.

Yes, Venus provides facts for which men have killed, and will kill. Archeo-astronomy is a fascinating field of study that hints at how we developed the very origins of human mythology. There's a Greek play taking place over our heads, with heroes, villains, monsters and beautiful women who need to be rescued. Twelve full moons, twelve months, twelve constellations, 12 apostles.

Yet is is well before the Greeks that this play was written and realized. Neolithic man observed these patterns and used them to rise from a feral state to create agricultural society. By observing where the sun rose each day, Ook, placed a rock in that spot and waited for the next dawn. Ook counted 360 rocks, Hence the circle has 360 degrees, and some ancient calendars are based on 360 days. Plus a few days thrown in for religious festival, to sort things out. Christmas trees and Milky Ways.

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How do you guys define space "history" as distinct from fairy tales?

What pivotal event would you say defines when space history starts?

I want to distinguish what is seen from the ground with what is seen/discovered from space exploration.

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7 minutes ago, Charles Anthony said:

How do you guys define space "history" as distinct from fairy tales?

What pivotal event would you say defines when space history starts?

I want to distinguish what is seen from the ground with what is seen/discovered from space exploration.

 

History = The Past

The two fathers of modern rocketry...perhaps the start of Space History.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard

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On 2/23/2021 at 8:56 AM, DogOnPorch said:

History = The Past

The way I see things, Everything = The Past but thanks for the leads! They help.

Do you believe Piccard's balloon rise happened as reported? I do not. I reckon it is still worthy of historical discussion. 

 

 

On 2/22/2021 at 10:09 AM, OftenWrong said:

By observing where the sun rose each day, Ook, placed a rock in that spot and waited for the next dawn. Ook counted 360 rocks, Hence the circle has 360 degrees, and some ancient calendars are based on 360 days.

Do you believe the days in Ook's time were of the same duration as ours?  
Do you believe that matters? 

 

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8 minutes ago, Charles Anthony said:

The way I see things, Everything = The Past but thanks for the leads! They help.

Do you believe Piccard's balloon rise happened as reported? I do not. I reckon it is still worthy of historical discussion. 

 

 

I'm not sure what problem you're having, Charles. If you wish to discuss Piccard and his various adventures, this or the General Chat area would be a good place for it. Or just make a new topic...anyone can start one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Piccard

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3 hours ago, Charles Anthony said:

Do you believe the days in Ook's time were of the same duration as ours?  

Do you believe that matters?

Interesting point. I don't know, but it's possible and could explain why they thought it was 360 days. My belief is that they were just a little inaccurate. You would have to make a long and narrow slit to allow the light to pass through very precisely. If the ground heaved you might be screwed up, so make it a really big rock. These neolithic types certainly knew how to handle that!

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3 hours ago, Charles Anthony said:

The way I see things, Everything = The Past but thanks for the leads! They help.

we have already discussed things like the discovery of Neptune, which is pre the modern "space age". No one has reported us.  ;)

You may have to report yourself...    ;)

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On 2/23/2021 at 8:46 AM, Charles Anthony said:

What pivotal event would you say defines when space history starts?

I want to distinguish what is seen from the ground with what is seen/discovered from space exploration.

Egyptians and Mayans observed the planets and made forecasts on flooding. They aligned their buildings to the stars. So I would say space history starts when human history does. Probably went back before that, we don't know what they knew back before about 5000 years ago.

The same curiosity and ingenuity is what drove their interests back then as now. Mythology is a living force that still exists today. Only instead of saying "God is in the gaps" we now say "Dark Matter".

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9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Mythology is a living force that still exists today. Only instead of saying "God is in the gaps" we now say "Dark Matter".

 

It lurks in the centre...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*

800px-Sagittarius_A*.jpg

Celestia attempts to display Sagittarius A*...it's one of those OMG, it's full of stars things up close. Doubt one could get a good night's sleep near the core...mind the X-Rays.

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