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54 minutes ago, Argus said:

Why do LGBT and whatever other letters are now attached to it need 'rights'?

Because they've been denied the legal ability to do things that non-LGBT people have always been able to do, like get married.  Not to mention being socially stigmatized and made to hide who they are for most of human history minus the last few decades.  Hence, Pride parades and flags.

 

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So you feel that all political leaders should be required to go to gay pride parades? Have I got that right? What about Muslims and Hindus and Orthodox Jews? What else? Attend BLM protests and bend th

That's a dumb Idea. It'd a dumb idea for them to go there, but for them to be forced to go there is...i don't have the words for that stupid.

But racist blackface PMs are OK ?

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Because they've been denied the legal ability to do things that non-LGBT people have always been able to do, like get married.  Not to mention being socially stigmatized and made to hide who they are for most of human history minus the last few decades.  Hence, Pride parades and flags.

 

Why don't you say the same about pedophilia? Why shouldn't pedophiles have equal rights to marry children for sexual gratification? What about Incest? If we make a law, they can't reproduce, why can't a brother and sister marry officially — wouldn't that seem just fair to you?

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First point, blackface... Why are people hanging on this? It was twenty some years ago at some costume thing and the only people "offended" by it are entitled white people. I heard a couple interviews with people of the race he supposedly mimicked about this and it didn't bother them at all. He apologized, what more is he supposed to do? By the way it's really good to know so many on here have never performed an act of racism or discrimination in their own lives to this point. 

That being said the other scandals he's been a part of in his life and career need to be addressed and acted on accordingly. 

Second point... I don't think any politician should attend any special interest function while in their elected term. My veiw is if there are issues, step up to the podium state the problem and how you and your party intends to resolve it. Your obligation should be to all you represent, not those who make the most noise. 

Third point... Want to address discrimination? Start by fixing the tax system. It discriminates against those who don't have the means to seek out all the loopholes, workarounds etc that those with the means do. 

Any politian that has the guts to address these issues would get my attention, maybe my vote. Another would be if he/she would run on their own platform instead of "against" the opponent, I think it's childish when politicians state whomever is in power needs to be replaced by themselves. They are admitting they don't have anything better to offer. Negative campaigns are very immature to me and don't deserve my support, we already know the incumbent's track record, tell me what you are going to do. 

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17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I think an MP and a party leader can do as they please, but a PM is different in that they represent all Canadians.

I also think it would be fine to not attend the parades if there was clear support/celebration for LGBT rights in other ways.  We never saw this during the Harper years:  https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/pride-flag-raised-at-parliament-hill-for-first-time-1.2926996?cache=yes

I think your opening the PM position up to any and all special interest groups, including those that may or may not be in public favor, like anti vaxers, anti maskers,  racist groups, dog lovers , cat lovers, porn actors, and pretty soon your doing nothing but going to these functions. and by not going your going to offend someone.

The LGBT should know that there government already supports them by the policies and laws that they have enacted on their behalf. not whether you can dance or not.  

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1 hour ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

First point, blackface... Why are people hanging on this? It was twenty some years ago at some costume thing and the only people "offended" by it are entitled white people. I heard a couple interviews with people of the race he supposedly mimicked about this and it didn't bother them at all. He apologized, what more is he supposed to do? By the way it's really good to know so many on here have never performed an act of racism or discrimination in their own lives to this point. 

That being said the other scandals he's been a part of in his life and career need to be addressed and acted on accordingly. 

Second point... I don't think any politician should attend any special interest function while in their elected term. My veiw is if there are issues, step up to the podium state the problem and how you and your party intends to resolve it. Your obligation should be to all you represent, not those who make the most noise. 

Third point... Want to address discrimination? Start by fixing the tax system. It discriminates against those who don't have the means to seek out all the loopholes, workarounds etc that those with the means do. 

Any politian that has the guts to address these issues would get my attention, maybe my vote. Another would be if he/she would run on their own platform instead of "against" the opponent, I think it's childish when politicians state whomever is in power needs to be replaced by themselves. They are admitting they don't have anything better to offer. Negative campaigns are very immature to me and don't deserve my support, we already know the incumbent's track record, tell me what you are going to do. 

You might have  a point if he had only done it once, but 3 times, and all as an adult, someone has to tell him it is not OK, and as a public figure his entire life is open to public inspection and comment. I think there has been so many scandals that we have become numb to them, it is now "expected" the new norm. 

 

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16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Because they've been denied the legal ability to do things that non-LGBT people have always been able to do, like get married.  Not to mention being socially stigmatized and made to hide who they are for most of human history minus the last few decades.  Hence, Pride parades and flags.

But they have the same rights as everyone else now. So what exactly is the concern?

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3 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

First point, blackface... Why are people hanging on this? It was twenty some years ago at some costume thing and the only people "offended" by it are entitled white people.

Yes, but the problem is he is precisely the type of woke, progressive guy who WOULD be offended by this if anyone else had done it. I can guarantee you if such pictures were found in the background of anyone wanting to run for MP Trudeau would have vetoed that person without a second thought. The cancel culture of which he has been a very willing part does not allow for forgiveness of past transgressions. Ever.

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15 hours ago, Marocc said:

Why don't you say the same about pedophilia? Why shouldn't pedophiles have equal rights to marry children for sexual gratification? What about Incest? If we make a law, they can't reproduce, why can't a brother and sister marry officially — wouldn't that seem just fair to you?

Because adults can exploit and manipulate children, and adults shouldn't be having sex with minors.  Because married people have sex, and if a brother and sister marry and have sex and get pregnant the child will often be deformed.  I don't see any major social or physical harm from gay people marrying.

If one disagrees with gay marriage but agrees with incest and marrying minors there's many countries including some Muslim countries which have these laws and they should move there.

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8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You might have  a point if he had only done it once, but 3 times, and all as an adult, someone has to tell him it is not OK, and as a public figure his entire life is open to public inspection and comment. I think there has been so many scandals that we have become numb to them, it is now "expected" the new norm. 

 

True but what harm did it actually do? Political correctness is rampant these days and of course now its used as a weapon. 

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On 11/22/2020 at 6:44 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Because they've been denied the legal ability to do things that non-LGBT people have always been able to do, like get married.  Not to mention being socially stigmatized and made to hide who they are for most of human history minus the last few decades.  Hence, Pride parades and flags.

 

They should have the same rights as anyone else, obviously, to marry and adopt children, without hiding.  Their lifestyle should not result in any form of discrimination.  For instance, if they didn't want to attend a gay pride parade, they should not be forced to.  I don't think they should suffer because they make that choice.

That said, they have no right to not be offended.  If some ill informed bigot was to compare them to pedophiles due to his barbaric religious beliefs, they should be able to shrug off such pig ignorant idiocy, and get on with their lives.

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On 11/22/2020 at 7:44 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

.... Not to mention being socially stigmatized and made to hide who they are for most of human history minus the last few decades.  Hence, Pride parades and flags.

 

 

Point of order please....human history and many ancient cultures were quite accepting of homosexuality and behaviours.   Stigmatizing and punishing homosexuality is a relatively recent development, including the very words and definitions, coinciding with the rise of Abrahamic religions and social taboos.

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1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

They should have the same rights as anyone else, obviously, to marry and adopt children, without hiding.  Their lifestyle should not result in any form of discrimination.  For instance, if they didn't want to attend a gay pride parade, they should not be forced to.  I don't think they should suffer because they make that choice.

That said, they have no right to not be offended.  If some ill informed bigot was to compare them to pedophiles due to his barbaric religious beliefs, they should be able to shrug off such pig ignorant idiocy, and get on with their lives.

I also don't think they should be forced to go to any parades.  As I said before, if they showed support in other ways for LGBT community, as PM who represents the country, that would be fine.

A regular MP should be able to do whatever they want.  Of course, a PM can too, I just think if they don't support that community they're a bigot homophobe.

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9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Because adults can exploit and manipulate children,

They exploit and manipulate adults all the time.

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

adults shouldn't be having sex with minors. 

Why do you think so?

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

and if a brother and sister marry and have sex and get pregnant

I said, if they can't/won't reproduce.

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't see any major social or physical harm from gay people marrying.

I do.

9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

 

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18 hours ago, Argus said:

Yes, but the problem is he is precisely the type of woke, progressive guy who WOULD be offended by this if anyone else had done it. I can guarantee you if such pictures were found in the background of anyone wanting to run for MP Trudeau would have vetoed that person without a second thought. The cancel culture of which he has been a very willing part does not allow for forgiveness of past transgressions. Ever.

You have a point there but even we don't know if your guarantee is real plus what choice would he have? In politics the wolves are always there, just waiting for opportunities like this. He did it, he took ownership of it, he apologized. As mature Canadians can't we just accept that and move on? 

I just wish people would grow up and focus on current problems, how much time and energy do we have to waste on this? It's like his term as prime minister is perfect and it's all the opposition has. 

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8 hours ago, bcsapper said:

That said, they have no right to not be offended.  :blink:??? 

If some ill informed bigot was to compare them to pedophiles due to his barbaric religious beliefs, they should be able to shrug off such pig ignorant idiocy, and get on with their lives.

One bigot, no problem. Across the nation we have whole communities of bigots and as citizens we need to inform these people this is not okay. No one should have to endure this day after day. 

You're right though, we do need to grow up with some level of resilience. Being different is part of the fun of life exchanging friendly barbs and generalizations shouldn't result in loss of sleep. I worry that rampant political correctness we are experiencing now is actually going to knock the "human" out of humanity and turn us into self aware robots. Think of some interactions you have with others during the course of the day, the banter, the teasing, flirting, most ending with both parties feeling a little bit better (judging from the smiles). Occasionally it doesn't end as planned but hopefully worse case it's an opportunity to reflect and improve, that's life. 

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5 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

You have a point there but even we don't know if your guarantee is real plus what choice would he have? In politics the wolves are always there, just waiting for opportunities like this. He did it, he took ownership of it, he apologized. As mature Canadians can't we just accept that and move on? 

Hey, I never bring it up any more. It's just one more example of Liberal hypocrisy. I'm not a fan of political correctness, but it does seem amusing when the foremost proponents of it get caught acting in the same way they so indignantly denounce.

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I just wish people would grow up and focus on current problems, how much time and energy do we have to waste on this? It's like his term as prime minister is perfect and it's all the opposition has. 

The current problems - covid and the economy, among others - are all being exacerbated by the above mentioned fool currently in power.

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17 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

True but what harm did it actually do? Political correctness is rampant these days and of course now its used as a weapon. 

Thats half the problem, we ALL know that running for public office , your entire life is going to be under the microscope, The liberal party should have scrubbed that portion of his background long ago, instead it bite him in the ass. 

what harm did it do, well leaders across the globe seen it, and most commented on it, it was subjected to world media, so everyone had a comment or laugh about it... I'm pretty sure the whole event did not play out well for Justin or this country.. just like his socks, his trips, his ethics breaches, the scandals, his out right lies, all the broken promises there is a lot on his plate more than we should expect from a nations leader.. 

I 100 % agree political correctness has destroyed a lot of people for little reason, but this is part of the new outlook people have "you are 100 % responsible for each and every one of your actions, now and in the past no exceptions. 

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On 11/23/2020 at 6:16 AM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

First point, blackface... Why are people hanging on this? It was twenty some years ago at some costume thing and 1) the only people "offended" by it are entitled white people. 2) I heard a couple interviews with people of the race he supposedly mimicked about this and it didn't bother them at all. He apologized, what more is he supposed to do? By the way it's really good to know so many on here have never performed an act of racism or discrimination in their own lives to this point. 

Right. 

1) That's an assumption with no basis in common sense.

2) A couple of interviews, hand-picked by the alt-left news media, has officially spoken for all black people? Do you think that if Trump wore blackface they'd find a couple of black people to say it's ok, or would the alternative viewpoint be expressed as the unanimous choice?

I dub thee THINKINoutSIDETHEBOX!!!!!!!!

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That being said the other scandals he's been a part of in his life and career need to be addressed and acted on accordingly. 

 

But they aren't, at all, and why do you think that is?

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Second point... I don't think any politician should attend any special interest function while in their elected term. My veiw is if there are issues, step up to the podium state the problem and how you and your party intends to resolve it. Your obligation should be to all you represent, not those who make the most noise. 

I don't expect this of any politician, as their absence can easily be painted as hostility, but I don't think that politicians should attend the gay parades when police are verboten. 

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Third point... Want to address discrimination? Start by fixing the tax system. It discriminates against those who don't have the means to seek out all the loopholes, workarounds etc that those with the means do. 

 

Corporations flow like water. Countries compete for their jobs. Find a workaround for that. 

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Any politian that has the guts to address these issues would get my attention, maybe my vote. Another would be if he/she would run on their own platform instead of "against" the opponent, I think it's childish when politicians state whomever is in power needs to be replaced by themselves. They are admitting they don't have anything better to offer. Negative campaigns are very immature to me and don't deserve my support, we already know the incumbent's track record, tell me what you are going to do. 

The whole alt-left political platform is just a negative attack ad. "Trump is a racist. PC are racist. Canadians and Americans are guilty of systemic racism!" 

What could be more negative than that? Are you guilty of systemic racism? Don't lie. If your skin is lighter than a brown paper bag the answer is YES or you're an even bigger, more aggressive racist. 

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36 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your support for pedophilia, incest, and homophobia has been noted.  At least I respect you for being honest.

you can't explain why you think the way you do, yet you have the arrogance to think you're right and others are wrong. Then you falsify my statements to direct attention away from your inability to answer simple questions. You're a hypocrite.

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19 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I also don't think they should be forced to go to any parades.  As I said before, if they showed support in other ways for LGBT community, as PM who represents the country, that would be fine.

A regular MP should be able to do whatever they want.  Of course, a PM can too, I just think if they don't support that community they're a bigot homophobe.

Both Harper and Scheer have already expressed publicly they support the gay community, and all existing policies and laws, and that they would not sponsor any bill or action to reverse any laws or policies already on the books. How is that not supporting them, Just like they did for abortion.... thats not what the media heard, nor was it what everyone else heard... the only thing they did not do was dance... how does that equate to not supporting them.. My point is, since when did a special interest group control the actions and thoughts of others. like the gay community, BLM, the list goes on.. 

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6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Thats half the problem, we ALL know that running for public office , your entire life is going to be under the microscope, The liberal party should have scrubbed that portion of his background long ago, instead it bite him in the ass. 

what harm did it do, well leaders across the globe seen it, and most commented on it, it was subjected to world media, so everyone had a comment or laugh about it... I'm pretty sure the whole event did not play out well for Justin or this country.. just like his socks, his trips, his ethics breaches, the scandals, his out right lies, all the broken promises there is a lot on his plate more than we should expect from a nations leader.. 

I 100 % agree political correctness has destroyed a lot of people for little reason, but this is part of the new outlook people have "you are 100 % responsible for each and every one of your actions, now and in the past no exceptions. 

Yet he's still prime minister... 

I don't know, the past is the past, get over it. What he is doing as leader is what concerns me. I honestly don't give a damn what other world leaders think, again Canada has the ability to be independent and a leader if we just had the guts to to it. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Right. 

1) That's an assumption with no basis in common sense.

2) A couple of interviews, hand-picked by the alt-left news media, has officially spoken for all black people? Do you think that if Trump wore blackface they'd find a couple of black people to say it's ok, or would the alternative viewpoint be expressed as the unanimous choice?

Hey it's your perspective, your entitled to your limited veiw

I dub thee THINKINoutSIDETHEBOX!!!!!!!! 

As long as it's not "THINKININSIDETHEBOX", somebody needs to bring new ideas and an outside perspective into these conversations. 

But they aren't, at all, and why do you think that is?

Because people like you won't move on? I don't know, his new scandals are too insignificant for you? 

I don't expect this of any politician, as their absence can easily be painted as hostility, but I don't think that politicians should attend the gay parades when police are verboten. 

Gays have rights over other special interest groups? 

Corporations flow like water. Countries compete for their jobs. Find a workaround for that. 

Nothing to do with it. 

The whole alt-left political platform is just a negative attack ad. "Trump is a racist. PC are racist. Canadians and Americans are guilty of systemic racism!" 

Yeah, the right are totally immune to this, Trudeau became leader of the Liberals and the first thing Harper did was attack him, Trump doesn't even let facts slow him down. Apparently it's a prerequisite for political success. 

What could be more negative than that? Are you guilty of systemic racism? Don't lie. If your skin is lighter than a brown paper bag the answer is YES or you're an even bigger, more aggressive racist. 

Than you

 

 

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7 hours ago, Marocc said:

you can't explain why you think the way you do, yet you have the arrogance to think you're right and others are wrong. Then you falsify my statements to direct attention away from your inability to answer simple questions.

Your question is pretty self evident.  2 consenting adults doing something that doesn't harm anyone else shouldn't be banned.  I've never seen evidence that gay marriage harms anyone else, such as their children.

Pedophilia harms children.  If you want to kiss your sibling whatever, if you want to marry your sibling whatever, but if you want to procreate with them that should be illegal as it is physically cruel to the child.  I'm not saying anything new.

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11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your question is pretty self evident.  2 consenting adults doing something that doesn't harm anyone else shouldn't be banned.  I've never seen evidence that gay marriage harms anyone else, such as their children.

Pedophilia harms children.  If you want to kiss your sibling whatever, if you want to marry your sibling whatever, but if you want to procreate with them that should be illegal as it is physically cruel to the child.  I'm not saying anything new

I asked you why incest shouldn't be similarly permitted, but now, you're giving the impression that you would give premission to Incest so long as there willbe no children.

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