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16 minutes ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Well this has deteriorated, I actually thought you were more mature than this... 

Oh yes, it's all on me. Let me see, your last words to me were the following:

Sounds like you're bitter he chose Sophie over you. 

And you complain about my lack of maturity? ūü§®

16 minutes ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

I state judge the man on his current performance and you are all over him as a person. 

His current performance is incompetence. Why should I applaud that?

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That's a dumb Idea. It'd a dumb idea for them to go there, but for them to be forced to go there is...i don't have the words for that stupid.

But racist blackface PMs are OK ?

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Harper screwed Saskatchewan out of $2 billion. 

Tell me again how Trudeau is going to have a small deficit of under $10 billion his first year and then get back to balance by the end of his term. Tell me again about his new 'open and transparent' goverment. Or maybe you'd like to discuss his eliminating FPTP voting? Or how he was going to empower MPs?

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is not my beliefs. Conservatism is a movement that is over three hundred years old. It grew out of the succession crisis and the basic credo is loyalty to our traditions. While Tories may be a minority in Canada, our Conservative values are baked into the Constitution. Republican, Liberals and NDP may not like it but after the Meech disaster, no sane government will ever change it.

I know what conservatism is. That's why I'm a conservative. I'm just not seeing how the PROGRESSIVE conservatives have showed much respect for our traditions, values or institutions.

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Now that is slander. I worked on every Conservative campaign from 1962 (Jim MacFarlane' campaign) until the reform / Socialist Credit republican Bolsheviks and their running dog lackey MacKay destroyed the Progressive Conservative Party. You want to talk about a gang of liars, look no farther than those theiving, lying republican bastards.

That wasn't a conservative party. That was a liberal party flying under false colours. Any hope of preserving our traditions and values was finally blown away by Mulroney, who catered solely to Quebec during his time in office, and tripled immigration - the result being that in our major cities Canadian-born people with any real knowledge of, much less respect for our traditions and values are fast becoming a minority.

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Aside from the bottom feeding bolshevik crooks in the reform party, I have respect for  people in other parties. Ralph Goodale, Roy Romanow and Stephen Ward come to mind. After all, it is only politics.

You seem to be confused. You suggest the conservatives are too right wing and yet call them 'bolsheviks'. As for Ralph Goodale, he is one my least respected politicians of all times, a sanctimonious blowhard and political weasel to the core. I respect him about as much as I do Sheila Copps.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Or maybe you'd like to discuss his eliminating FPTP voting?

To be fair, it was the NDP that killed voting reform. Their insistance on the stupid PR deadlocked the process. The Grit proposal was too complcated anyway. It is better to make FPTP work by voting only for Tories or Grits and let the others wither away.

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7 hours ago, dialamah said:

That's opinion based on feelings, not supported by fact.  JT is not a great leader and he's accomplished little of note that I can see, but that could be said of many leaders.  Yes, there've been scandals, just like there've been scandals for virtually every PM that I can remember.  He's pretty average, really, but he's not a disaster by any stretch.

Did you post this with a straight face . . . . facetious ?

If not . . . . lying, ineptitude, ethics breaches, the list is long . . . . . all ok with you ?

Voters like you  . . . . . . 

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44 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Did you post this with a straight face . . . . facetious ?

If not . . . . lying, ineptitude, ethics breaches, the list is long . . . . . all ok with you ?

Voters like you  . . . . . . 

You missed the point.  I didn't say any of that was "ok", I said it was par for the course, he's no better or worse than most other PMs.  Hyperbolic descriptions (good or bad) of almost any politician is driven by emotions, not facts, most of the time.

Trump is the only "politician" that I'd agree deserved extremelt negative descriptions.

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10 hours ago, dialamah said:

That's opinion based on feelings, not supported by fact.  JT is not a great leader and he's accomplished little of note that I can see, but that could be said of many leaders.  Yes, there've been scandals, just like there've been scandals for virtually every PM that I can remember.  He's pretty average, really, but he's not a disaster by any stretch.

That's what I've been trying to tell him... 

I'd say Trudeau's scandals are above average by a fair margin. One doesn't need to pick on him personally, there's plenty on him as a politian. Calling him names is childish, we should be above that and his opposition should be above that. 

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On 11/26/2020 at 3:47 PM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Now it's his socks... You have such hatred for the person you can't see beyond his party choices and fashion sense. Maybe Value Village didn't have black socks that day, who gives a damn?

I'd hope world leaders would be mature enough not to notice or do you think they see it when they bow to his holiness. Here's a news flash, Canada is not that important on the world stage. 

Your last paragraph is what should be addressed, that proves he is an incompetent leader. What we need now is someone who will run that addresses these issues and proposes solutions not Trudeau 2.0. I don't care what party he/she leads. 

Canada has a role to play on the world stage, and important role, you just don't see it, We have earned a reputation for taking action when needed, taking the lead on programs and policies that the big boys see as petty or small , like the invention of peace keeping, humanitarian missions, contributions around the world to fight hunger and peace... but it is being eroded by Justin with his grand speeches in the UN making promises he knew he could not keep, WERE BACK,   just like the one he has given at NATO/ NORAD conferences promising the moon signing of a agreement that states we will spend 2 % of GDP on our military, He has also put other alliances at risk such as CANZUK most of  the common wealth countries  and the USA. 

I may not seem important to you, but Justin has not grown that world reputation earned by others , he is eroding it slowly.

And your right his socks are just one more thing to hate about this guy, but thats my problem not yours. 

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12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Canada has a role to play on the world stage, and important role, you just don't see it, We have earned a reputation for taking action when needed, taking the lead on programs and policies that the big boys see as petty or small , like the invention of peace keeping, humanitarian missions, contributions around the world to fight hunger and peace... but it is being eroded by Justin with his grand speeches in the UN making promises he knew he could not keep, WERE BACK,   just like the one he has given at NATO/ NORAD conferences promising the moon signing of a agreement that states we will spend 2 % of GDP on our military, He has also put other alliances at risk such as CANZUK most of  the common wealth countries  and the USA. 

I may not seem important to you, but Justin has not grown that world reputation earned by others , he is eroding it slowly.

And your right his socks are just one more thing to hate about this guy, but thats my problem not yours. 

Yes you are correct for those contributions and I suppose Canada should continue. 

I do think Canada should be less dependent on trade and foreign investment. I don't like it when politicians say Canada is for sale. As more and more of our resources come under foreign control we become more dependent on these entities and have to bow to their demands. Amazon not paying taxes for one and I bet most of their profit is leaving Canada. I bet low oil and high fuel prices are benefiting multinational oil companies far more then US, at this rate we'd be farther ahead leaving our oil in the ground. With all our resources we shouldn't be a country so deep in debt. 

We are stuck between China and the US with the Huawei fiasco, we have far more to lose than either of those two and we have nothing to do with it. Just think if could send her home or to the US and tell them to figure it out. 

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2 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

We are stuck between China and the US with the Huawei fiasco, we have far more to lose than either of those two and we have nothing to do with it. Just think if could send her home or to the US and tell them to figure it out. 

Sending her home would be surrendering. And the Huawei mess is just one aspect of the problematic relationship we have with China and the US. China sees itself as an ascending world power. It has no respect for anyone else, and is throwing elbows everywhere. It wants what it wants, and anyone who doesn't give it to them is to be punished. Same goes for anyone who says anything they don't like. Canada experienced this sort of thing before Huawei, with China coming up with pretexts to punish us for this and that, including banning canola imports every now and then. Australia is feeling that now. It has had the temerity to impose severe new laws impeding foreign influence in its politics, for example. And it dared to call for an international investigation into the origins of the Covid19 disease. Of course, they have a free trade agreement with China, but China's word has never been worth anything, so they simply come up with a pretext to cut imports of beef and wine and such to punish Australia.

It is not possible to have a relationship of any kind with China unless you're firm up front, or they'll walk all over you. And that's what they're doing to us now, with spies all over our country and China having control of all Chinese language news media in Canada, and threatening their expatriates here if they don't tow the Communist party line. All while we cower and say nothing.

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2 hours ago, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Yes you are correct for those contributions and I suppose Canada should continue. 

I do think Canada should be less dependent on trade and foreign investment. I don't like it when politicians say Canada is for sale. As more and more of our resources come under foreign control we become more dependent on these entities and have to bow to their demands. Amazon not paying taxes for one and I bet most of their profit is leaving Canada. I bet low oil and high fuel prices are benefiting multinational oil companies far more then US, at this rate we'd be farther ahead leaving our oil in the ground. With all our resources we shouldn't be a country so deep in debt. 

We are stuck between China and the US with the Huawei fiasco, we have far more to lose than either of those two and we have nothing to do with it. Just think if could send her home or to the US and tell them to figure it out. 

For the most part we are on the same page, I think our trade should be diversified, to limit the effects of trade wars or fits like the one Saudi threw, or china when ever it suits them, I also think most of our foreign investment is coming from china, that should stop, we should take a page off the Australians and start looking else where to trade with, or purchase cheap Chinese goods.

I predict that once Biden is in the house that Huawei is going to stop being an issue, i just hope we take learn for this whole experience and take steps to prevent it from happening again. I also hope china releases the Michaels, and we learn from that issue as well and take some action to minimize any more political prisoners. 

As for the oil we burn Saudi oil for the most part, which does not make any sense at all, when we could be burning Alberta oil that is cheaper, and supports BUY Canadian. our entire country should burn Alberta's oil. And it needs to be processed here in Canada, not the US.

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Just now, Army Guy said:

As for the oil we burn Saudi oil for the most part, which does not make any sense at all, when we could be burning Alberta oil that is cheaper, and supports BUY Canadian. our entire country should burn Alberta's oil. And it needs to be processed here in Canada, not the US.

Sorry. Quebec says no.

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Just now, Argus said:

Sorry. Quebec says no.

That burns my ass with a 3 foot flame, someone with balls, should have just forced it through anyways.. Once the price of gas goes down in Quebec, then they might sing a different tune...

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On 11/16/2020 at 9:52 AM, dialamah said:

Isn't that a Canadian value, and thus required of all leaders?  

Anyway, I tried to find some policies of the Conservative party, but was unsuccessful.  Other than the standard "Liberals are bad,  we'll make everything ok" schtick.  So as of now, I have no idea if the O'Toole Conservatives are a party I could support.  I suppose in my ideal world, I'd like to see their policies now, and how well they adhere to them while in opposition.  I'm ok with change ir updates, as they learn more and circumstances change.

But I suppose they consider it in their best interest to auto-reject anything the Liberals come up with, then create some policy at election time by guessing the mood of Canadians at that time.

According to Trudeaumeter, the Liverals have kept 143 if their 230 election promises, broken 67 and are working on 20.  I dunno if that's good or bad relative to other parties.

You do have another party and another choice of political party's to choose from. It is called the People's Party of Canada with Maxine Bernier as it's leader. Stop voting for all of those leftist liberal/conservative globalist political party's that have no interests or concerns in your well being.

If one is a real and true conservative minded person here than they should go check out the PPC website to find out what the PPC is all about. There you will find no leftist liberal/conservative/NDP lies and bull chit. They will tell you like it is and where they stand on the many issues that we need to be concerned about here in Canada today.

There is always two sides to every story. The PPC party is that other side of the story. Believe it or not. ;)

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

That burns my ass with a 3 foot flame, someone with balls, should have just forced it through anyways.. Once the price of gas goes down in Quebec, then they might sing a different tune...

Quebec has always been a thorn in the Canadian backside. The french have been allowed to take over Canada to the point where nothing can get done in the rest of Canada unless the french will agree to it. Even the leftist liberal conservative party kisses Quebec's azz every day. The liberal conservative party will never fight for English Canada. They have become traitors to English Canada. 

Quebec is Canada's problem and as long as that country(that is what they like to call themselves)is still allowed to keep running and control the rest of Canada we will never see Canada's potential and prosper but will end up becoming a third world country if they are allowed to continue on their road to the destruction of English Canada.

Quebec will never separate from Canada and why would they? Heck, they already own and run the rest of Canada. It is the rest of Canada that must now try and separate from Quebec. If not, don't expect Canada to get any better. 

Indeed, the progressive liberal globalist conservative party is back with just another O'Tool running the outfit. Hello? ;)

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8 hours ago, Argus said:

Sending her home would be surrendering. And the Huawei mess is just one aspect of the problematic relationship we have with China and the US. China sees itself as an ascending world power. It has no respect for anyone else, and is throwing elbows everywhere. It wants what it wants, and anyone who doesn't give it to them is to be punished. Same goes for anyone who says anything they don't like. Canada experienced this sort of thing before Huawei, with China coming up with pretexts to punish us for this and that, including banning canola imports every now and then. Australia is feeling that now. It has had the temerity to impose severe new laws impeding foreign influence in its politics, for example. And it dared to call for an international investigation into the origins of the Covid19 disease. Of course, they have a free trade agreement with China, but China's word has never been worth anything, so they simply come up with a pretext to cut imports of beef and wine and such to punish Australia.

It is not possible to have a relationship of any kind with China unless you're firm up front, or they'll walk all over you. And that's what they're doing to us now, with spies all over our country and China having control of all Chinese language news media in Canada, and threatening their expatriates here if they don't tow the Communist party line. All while we cower and say nothing.

Then send her to the states... China can go pound sand. 

What I'm saying is Canada as a country should not be so dependent on other countries. We have so much potential, I can't believe I'm the only one that sees it. Other countries should be begging us to do business, not the other way around. 

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8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

For the most part we are on the same page, I think our trade should be diversified, to limit the effects of trade wars or fits like the one Saudi threw, or china when ever it suits them, I also think most of our foreign investment is coming from china, that should stop, we should take a page off the Australians and start looking else where to trade with, or purchase cheap Chinese goods.

I predict that once Biden is in the house that Huawei is going to stop being an issue, i just hope we take learn for this whole experience and take steps to prevent it from happening again. I also hope china releases the Michaels, and we learn from that issue as well and take some action to minimize any more political prisoners. 

As for the oil we burn Saudi oil for the most part, which does not make any sense at all, when we could be burning Alberta oil that is cheaper, and supports BUY Canadian. our entire country should burn Alberta's oil. And it needs to be processed here in Canada, not the US.

There should be no question on the oil, importing oil into Canada is so stupid. 

The Micheals should know the risks they were taking, everybody knows China is not a particularly safe place to visit. Maybe this is cruel to some people but they placed a bet and they lost, it's not my problem. Maybe we can trade Trudeau for them? 

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10 hours ago, taxme said:

Quebec will never separate from Canada and why would they? Heck, they already own and run the rest of Canada. It is the rest of Canada that must now try and separate from Quebec. If not, don't expect Canada to get any better. 

What if . . . . 

The citizens of Manitoba west refused to pay the Federal Tax Payable portion of their income tax. Stick half into their pockets, and gave the Provincial Govt. the other half for infrastructure, etc. Stop all Equalization/Transfer payments, all sales tax, etc.

No need to 'declare' separation . . . . just en masse  do not comply.  Starve out that inept Federal Govt.  What would the Feds do?  Kick us out of Canada?  Who cares!  

Folks from the west seem to forget that Ontario/Quebec need you much more than you need their arrogant abuse.

Do not comply . . . you have all the chips (food & fuel)  an eastern seaport at Churchill for access to European markets, and western seaports for the Asian access.  

The west is stupid.  Stupid to play a stacked poker game forever, thinking they'll win a small pot  sometime.

 

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On 11/29/2020 at 5:27 PM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

Then send her to the states... China can go pound sand. 

What I'm saying is Canada as a country should not be so dependent on other countries. We have so much potential, I can't believe I'm the only one that sees it. Other countries should be begging us to do business, not the other way around. 

It would appear these days that only communist and third world countries want to do business with this sick pathetic country called Canaduh. Our comrade dear leader of Canaduh is out to destroy and de industrialize this once great British/European country and replace it with third world cultures and refugees and immigrants who have no common culture with our British/European culture and country.

We can see that happening today in Canada where most of these new cultures that have been coming to Canada for decades now do not want or need to assimilate into Canadian culture. The East Indians and Asians are a prime example who can do just fine and survive with no need nor have to worry about assimilating into Canadian culture at all. 

This country had great potential but thanks to the leftist liberals, socialists, and the liberal conservative party's all are out in trying to destroy this once great nation. All they want to do is create more government, more rules and regulations, create new or raise more taxes, and to try and stifle freedom of speech. If people think that the progressive conservative party is on their side than what more can be said about those people who think that government is the solution, and never the problem. The majority of zombie like Canadians are incapable of being able to think outside the box. Just saying. ;)

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On 11/29/2020 at 9:30 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

What if . . . . 

The citizens of Manitoba west refused to pay the Federal Tax Payable portion of their income tax. Stick half into their pockets, and gave the Provincial Govt. the other half for infrastructure, etc. Stop all Equalization/Transfer payments, all sales tax, etc.

No need to 'declare' separation . . . . just en masse  do not comply.  Starve out that inept Federal Govt.  What would the Feds do?  Kick us out of Canada?  Who cares!  

Folks from the west seem to forget that Ontario/Quebec need you much more than you need their arrogant abuse.

Do not comply . . . you have all the chips (food & fuel)  an eastern seaport at Churchill for access to European markets, and western seaports for the Asian access.  

The west is stupid.  Stupid to play a stacked poker game forever, thinking they'll win a small pot  sometime.

 

 

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Just now, taxme said:

If only the people of Manitoba had the rocks to do such a thing it would be great. But sadly, I cannot see the people of Manitoba ever doing such a thing to help themselves and make their province a more richer place to live.  

I have been an advocate for Western separation for decades now. The west does not need the east. The eats needs the west to survive especially that thieving crooked place called Quebec. Without the west Quebec would be a third world hell hole today. it's getting that way anyway. Quebec is corrupt and bankrupt. It survives on the welfare checks it gets from the west. The question that I always keep asking myself and others here is what the hell as Quebec ever done to help make Canada great? So far, 

The west is stupid because it has allowed itself to become stupid. Quebec will never allow or help make the west rich and see it's full potential. On the contrary, the french in Quebec will be allowed to decide the future of the west and Manitoba. This is just Canada, don't you know? Nobody really gives all that much of a chit about Canada anyway. It's mostly full of people who are all about me-me-me.  

I always keep asking myself and others here as to what Quebec has ever done or contributed to help make Canada a great country to live in? So far I have not seen Quebec do anything for the rest of Canada except to try and bankrupt this once great nation into oblivion and show and teach us all as to how to become corruption and bribery works. ;) 

 

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On 11/29/2020 at 9:30 PM, Nefarious Banana said:

What if . . . . 

The citizens of Manitoba west refused to pay the Federal Tax Payable portion of their income tax. Stick half into their pockets, and gave the Provincial Govt. the other half for infrastructure, etc. Stop all Equalization/Transfer payments, all sales tax, etc.

No need to 'declare' separation . . . . just en masse  do not comply.  Starve out that inept Federal Govt.  What would the Feds do?  Kick us out of Canada?  Who cares!  

Folks from the west seem to forget that Ontario/Quebec need you much more than you need their arrogant abuse.

Do not comply . . . you have all the chips (food & fuel)  an eastern seaport at Churchill for access to European markets, and western seaports for the Asian access.  

The west is stupid.  Stupid to play a stacked poker game forever, thinking they'll win a small pot  sometime.

 

Reply to your post above or below. I am screwing up things for myself today. ;)

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