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6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Good point....how many Canadian NHL players will be going to their U.S. based teams for training camp and the 2021 COVID divisions season ?   After losing the World Juniors gold medal game, some drafted Canadian players want to get to their U.S. teams.

'Course, the Canadian gubermint recommends no international travel, right ?

Every game this season will, of course, be played only within the realigned divisions, which are as follows:

North: Ottawa-Montreal-Toronto-Winnipeg-Edmonton-Calgary-Vancouver

East: Boston-Buffalo-New Jersey-NY Islanders-NY Rangers-Philadelphia-Pittsburgh-Washington

Central: Carolina-Chicago-Columbus-Detroit-Florida-Dallas-Nashville-Tampa Bay

West: Anaheim-Arizona-Colorado-Minnesota-Los Angeles-Vegas-San Jose-St. Louis

 

I'm sure the Canadian players on u.s. teams can afford accommodations, and vice versa.  After all there wouldn't be a team without Canadian players.  Unless you want to pack in some more russians?  

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6 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

I'm sure the Canadian players on u.s. teams can afford accommodations, and vice versa.  After all there wouldn't be a team without Canadian players.  Unless you want to pack in some more russians?  

 

So NHL players are being permitted to cross the Canadian border, because hockey is so essential, COVID-19 be damned.    Not many Canadian or Russian players on the World Juniors gold medal winning U.S. team.

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11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So NHL players are being permitted to cross the Canadian border, because hockey is so essential, COVID-19 be damned.    Not many Canadian or Russian players on the World Juniors gold medal winning U.S. team.

Its their job, not leisure trips. 

And I'm ok with the juniors, we can't win them all.  We have 18 golds vs your 5.  Maybe you can catch up some time before the next century.  😃

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So wife and family will stay home, right ?   Nope....

Lots of people are crossing the Canadian border, every day.

Yes they do.  And upon return they have to quarantine.  Besides, they'll be there for the entire season no doubt.   World will be much different by then.  

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6 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Yes they do.  And upon return they have to quarantine.  Besides, they'll be there for the entire season no doubt.   World will be much different by then.  

 

Some do...others don't.   Commercial traffic does not quarantine...employees do not quarantine.

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The Globe puts things fairly succinctly on our lackadaisical response to the virus.

There are many ways to stop a pandemic crossing the border. Maybe Canada should try some

In an effort to minimize new cases of COVID-19, Australia has instituted some of the world’s toughest quarantine rules. Unlike Canada, when someone arrives from overseas, they aren’t sent on their merry way with an on-your-honour promise to hole up at home for two weeks.

Australia requires returning travellers to quarantine at government-supervised facilities, in most cases at their own expense. Travellers flying in to Sydney are charged roughly $3,000 for meals and accommodation; the bill is $5,000 for a family of four.

Canadian officials, of course, continue to strongly recommend against non-essential foreign travel. However, there have not been strong measures to either discourage foreign travel or to bring in a testing regime robust enough to make foreign travel safe.

Ottawa made a big deal about “closing” the border last March, but it really only applies to foreign tourists. It doesn’t cover Canadians leaving or coming home, or essential travellers, notably truckers. The system to monitor travellers and their health is minimal security theatre.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-there-are-many-ways-to-stop-a-pandemic-crossing-the-border-maybe/

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On 1/2/2021 at 8:25 AM, Adam1980 said:

I don't disagree that the whole thing is overblown and the response disproportionate to the threat, but it appears there is a threat, so I find it hard to call it a 'hoax'.

I wonder what would have happened if we went to the other side of the response spectrum and carried on with life as was before. We would see many deaths in long term care homes. One can imagine the population screaming at the folks in power that they didn't do enough! 

Probably nothing would happen all that much at all if we went to the other side and did nothing. It would no doubt become just another year of what we normally get every year is the flu. Tens of thousands will always get sick and thousands will probably die. The only reason why everybody is in a state of fear and panic over this china virus is because of the lying politicians and lying media that has blown this China virus to it's limit.

The population could not give a crap about this virus if it were not for our lying politicians and the lying media that have made a big deal out of nothing. We would all be still living and enjoying our old normal life that we once lived 10 months ago. Every hour of every day it is all about Covid-Covid-Covid creating constant paranoia about this virus. As long as you are willing to keep playing this virus game nonsense it will go on and on forever. If you thought 2020 was bad wait until you try out 2021. Bigger things ahead for you covid believers. Enjoy your new normal life. Lol. 

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On 1/2/2021 at 10:00 AM, oops said:

I find it hard to call it a hoax also, I never have and never will. I also find it hard to call it a conspiracy , because I think our leaders are too inept to pull one off. My issue is that we are are letting our fear of death make us forget our love of life.  What would happen if hadn't locked down? We would have continued to educate our children to the best of our ability and given them hope for the future instead of locking them out of their schools and telling them they might die. We would have kept visiting our seniors, and not closed the places where they meet with others. then we wouldn't be seeing them isolated, lonely and increasingly sedentary, leading to increased deaths from heart disease, Alzheimer's and other forms of deteriorative decline. We wouldn't be running a $381 billion dollar deficit, that will burden our children for decades to come. Justin of course would run a deficit as always, but $381 billion is large even by his standards. We wouldn't have driven so many of our businesses into bankruptcy resulting in a 38% drop in gdp, lessening our ability to repay our mounting debt. We would have kept our hospitals open, instead of closing them, and then watching as people on waiting lists who were scheduled for cancer and heart procedures died without treatment. We would have come together with our family and friends to celebrate weddings and birthdays, and mourn our dead. We would have gone to sporting events, live music concerts, lived life, and made memories. 

As for the long term care homes, we have truly not done well there. Of course the lock downs didn't do much to prevent the residents from attending school, riding public transit or attending all night long wild parties.  One possible solution might be to provide enough funding to make the needed changes to make them as safe as possible.  It would be wise to appoint someone who could audit these facilities as he sees necessary, and who could coordinate any libel actions that arise from misuse  of these funds.

I pretty much agree with just about everything you said. But this needs to come to an end before more damage is done to society. Society has taken a beating with this China virus and there will be more to come if we do not end this foolishness. Our seniors will be dying off like flies if this is allowed to continue on. As someone who does believe in conspiracies I do believe that this may be a part of a plan to actually get rid of seniors. Just my opinion of course. ;)

There was a care home in upstate New York that had been free of any covid at all. Weeks later after they administered a vaccine to the residents many got sick and 24 died. Coincidence? So, just what was in that vaccine that killed all those elderly people? And of course the politicians and the media will say that they did not die from the vaccine. They will say that they all died from natural causes. But of course. ;)

Source: Ron Paul Institute website. 

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On 1/8/2021 at 6:40 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Some do...others don't.   Commercial traffic does not quarantine...employees do not quarantine.

Why those people who are allowed to cross the border every day by the thousands willy-nilly will never ever be bringing back the China virus with them, now will they? I guess that the virus does pick and choose as to who it will attach itself too. I am pretty sure that at the border the China virus stops right there and will not cross the border into Canukistan legally or illegally, eh? The Convid bull chit carries on.

When will those covid believing buffoons out there ever learn and get it? It's no wonder our politicians can do whatever they want too we the people? Nobody dares question their motives. They just go along to get along.

A deplorable bunch indeed. :D

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50 minutes ago, taxme said:

But this needs to come to an end before more damage is done to society.

This is so true.  Government actions are killing so many, and doing no good at all. The elderly are dying from isolation, spouses are being abused and people are dying because of the earlier hospital closures. The lockdowns globally are causing a doubling of world poverty, and a doubling of world wide child malnutrition. Children in poor countries are starving to death because of international measures that our government is part of. The question is, is our  government  doing this knowingly which is criminal, or are they unaware of the damage which would make them incompetent?

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Well here is a news flash, This is what the liberals have been trying to do since the beginning of this out break. 

Bring in the emergency measure act, which will provide them with the legislation and policies to do what ever they want, giving them unlimited power to enact anything without going through the regular channels ie parliament.

  Including suspending all your rights and freedoms guaranteed by our constitution. What can happen , this is Canada right, the liberals have been transparent and up front with all of us there entire rein of terror( sorry i mean elected mandate) 

And while this is not official news as of yet, they are in deep discussions, and if you follow the other bread crumbs like Justin telling Canadians not to travel, Garneau's announcement below,  

Garneau won't rule out invoking Emergencies Act to limit pandemic travel (msn.com)

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When asked by CBC's Chief Political Correspondent Rosemary Barton when such plans would be announced, Garneau said the measures are "in very active discussion."

"I'm not going to predict when or what, but I can tell you that we are very seized with it in our government."

 

In my opinion, i think this will be Justins defining moment during the pandemic, how he uses these powers on the Canadian people, we define his election chances. More so than if he waits until after tax time and we get our tax bill.  I wonder how all of this is going to be taken by those already done with this pandemic, or ones afraid of restriction of our rights and freedoms.

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On 1/14/2021 at 4:27 PM, oops said:

This is so true.  Government actions are killing so many, and doing no good at all. The elderly are dying from isolation, spouses are being abused and people are dying because of the earlier hospital closures. The lockdowns globally are causing a doubling of world poverty, and a doubling of world wide child malnutrition. Children in poor countries are starving to death because of international measures that our government is part of. The question is, is our  government  doing this knowingly which is criminal, or are they unaware of the damage which would make them incompetent?

Our politicians are in on this convid virus game compliments of globalists like vaccine pusher Bill Gates. This con game has been going on for almost a year now and we have been doing what they have been asking us to do and things seem to always be getting worse. The PCR tests are believed to be flawed and are always giving false readings. This helps our dear comrade leaders and the globalists to keep this farce going. I do believe that this convid game will go on forever until we the people decide to say that they have had enough already. There is no way a virus can go so long as this one is going. It is our dear lying leaders and the lying media that keep this hoax going. Only you can end this joke. 

It's all bull chit. Now they are trying to tell us that we have another covid like virus which they can now use to keep us all locked up, quarantines, keep wearing face masks and keep up social distancing. Flying has become a nightmare now. We are pretty much now prisoners in our own country. Having FUN like going to sports events, casinos, concerts, big family gatherings or denying a bunch of young teenagers to have birthday party's has pretty much been abolished. I honestly do believe that I am now living in a communist country. The life that we all lived just 10 months ago has been taking away from us by our dear comrade pro globalist leaders. They must all be arrested and charged with crimes against Canadians and crimes against humanity. Otherwise they will just carry on with this convid farce. Only you can end this lie. ;)

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2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Well here is a news flash, This is what the liberals have been trying to do since the beginning of this out break. 

Bring in the emergency measure act, which will provide them with the legislation and policies to do what ever they want, giving them unlimited power to enact anything without going through the regular channels ie parliament.

  Including suspending all your rights and freedoms guaranteed by our constitution. What can happen , this is Canada right, the liberals have been transparent and up front with all of us there entire rein of terror( sorry i mean elected mandate) 

And while this is not official news as of yet, they are in deep discussions, and if you follow the other bread crumbs like Justin telling Canadians not to travel, Garneau's announcement below,  

Garneau won't rule out invoking Emergencies Act to limit pandemic travel (msn.com)

In my opinion, i think this will be Justins defining moment during the pandemic, how he uses these powers on the Canadian people, we define his election chances. More so than if he waits until after tax time and we get our tax bill.  I wonder how all of this is going to be taken by those already done with this pandemic, or ones afraid of restriction of our rights and freedoms.

There can be no doubt about it that our dear comrade leader Turdeau is a communist and he has big plans for all of us Canadians. With Trump now gone and Biden in the dear leader will be on a roll now. Two peas in a pod globalist communists. I am of the belief now that in the last election, Trudeau used the Dominion voting machines to get his majority. And he no doubt will do the same thing in the next election. Trudeau could become the dictator for life in Canada. The Emergency Act is being used to take our rights and freedoms away. If we thought that 2020 was bad, just wait until 2021 gets going.

They are now trying to tell us that there is a bigger and badder covid virus on it's way. This bull chit will never end until we the people say enough already. They want their old normal life back and dam the consequences. I would rather take my chances with any virus then have to keep living this new normal life. FUN has pretty much been abolished. :(

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5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Well here is a news flash, This is what the liberals have been trying to do since the beginning of this out break. 

Bring in the emergency measure act, which will provide them with the legislation and policies to do what ever they want, giving them unlimited power to enact anything without going through the regular channels ie parliament.

Looks like Justin has come full circle. I graduated high school in 1971, during the tenure of Pierre Elliot Trudeau. He increased the federal debt by 720%, brought in wage and price controls, (which were actually just wage controls) and the war measures act to suspend peoples rights and freedoms. He was the worst prime minister Canada ever had. I didn't suspect that he would raise a son that would surpass all his father's  transgressions. I just hope that Justin's kids want to be architects or retailers, and don't carry on the family tradition.

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Basic human rights are being violated for sure.  Government shouldn't have the right to prevent businesses from operating or people from moving freely within their borders, nor should people be forbidden from leaving the country.  If you're worried about the virus, stay home.  I worry that "variants" of the virus and other scares will become a constant.  I hope that if restrictions aren't removed by midsummer, that there's a widespread political movement to remove them.  Watch out for excuses to maintain them.  They're coming.  

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On 1/25/2021 at 5:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Basic human rights are being violated for sure.  Government shouldn't have the right to prevent businesses from operating or people from moving freely within their borders, nor should people be forbidden from leaving the country.  If you're worried about the virus, stay home.  I worry that "variants" of the virus and other scares will become a constant.  I hope that if restrictions aren't removed by midsummer, that there's a widespread political movement to remove them.  Watch out for excuses to maintain them.  They're coming.  

I think Canadians are starting to wake up to the fact that all of our Basic human rights and those rights guarantee by our constitution are very fragile, and can be taken away by a stroke of the pen. At any time... 

I found this article about the NDP trying to have the Proud boys declared a terrorist group, and at first thought i said sure, they are a a form of extremist group, but then i seen the powers this gave the government over any group, powers like they can not own property of any kind, all funds in banks or any other investment are closed and taken by the government. all media accounts are closed , basically any service provided to them, phone, electricity, water, etc  can be seen as helping them and is against the law , including hiring a lawyer. How does one defend themselves in a court of law?  It basically strips them of everything. And it is our politicians that are now trying to influence this procedure. And i don't trust them to make the right decision at the best of times.

terrorist by popular vote: MPs risk dangerous precedent with votes to label terror groups, experts say (msn.com)

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43 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I think Canadians are starting to wake up to the fact that all of our Basic human rights and those rights guarantee by our constitution are very fragile, and can be taken away by a stroke of the pen. At any time... 

I found this article about the NDP trying to have the Proud boys declared a terrorist group, and at first thought i said sure, they are a a form of extremist group, but then i seen the powers this gave the government over any group, powers like they can not own property of any kind, all funds in banks or any other investment are closed and taken by the government. all media accounts are closed , basically any service provided to them, phone, electricity, water, etc  can be seen as helping them and is against the law , including hiring a lawyer. How does one defend themselves in a court of law?  It basically strips them of everything. And it is our politicians that are now trying to influence this procedure. And i don't trust them to make the right decision at the best of times.

terrorist by popular vote: MPs risk dangerous precedent with votes to label terror groups, experts say (msn.com)

Sounds like China to me, and it shouldn't come as a surprise. Mr. Trudeau is a renowned genuflector before the Chinese. He admires the bastards.

 

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Speaking of which, it came to my attention that China is doing tremendously well economically under the current global conditions. China has opened their floodgates full on. They've got all their hammers down, etc. you know what I mean. These communists have no time for pussyfooting with Covid 19. They obliterated it by sheer authoritarian force. And most likely a little of the good old "shoot, shovel and shut-up" technique as well.   ;)

 

Chinese economy to overtake US 'by 2028' due to Covid
BBC

The UK-based Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) said China's "skilful" management of Covid-19 would boost its relative growth compared to the US and Europe in coming years. Although China was the first country hit by Covid-19, it controlled the disease through swift and extremely strict action, meaning it did not need to repeat economically paralysing lockdowns as European countries have done.

As a result, unlike other major economies, it has avoided an economic recession in 2020 and is in fact estimated to see growth of 2% this year.

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There you have it. While we remain paralyzed thanks to politics and allow Covid-19 to eviscerate our society, China has positioned themselves to make more money and will move to the economic top spot several years sooner. Welcome to the new, Chinese century.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I found this article about the NDP trying to have the Proud boys declared a terrorist group, and at first thought i said sure, they are a a form of extremist group, but then i seen the powers this gave the government over any group, powers like they can not own property of any kind, all funds in banks or any other investment are closed and taken by the government. all media accounts are closed , basically any service provided to them, phone, electricity, water, etc  can be seen as helping them and is against the law , including hiring a lawyer. How does one defend themselves in a court of law?  It basically strips them of everything. And it is our politicians that are now trying to influence this procedure. And i don't trust them to make the right decision at the best of times.

terrorist by popular vote: MPs risk dangerous precedent with votes to label terror groups, experts say (msn.com)

Are the NDP going after Khalistani terrorists too, like Jagmeet Singh's buddies? 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7598170/liberal-mp-booted-from-caucus-over-baseless-and-dangerous-claims-about-colleagues/ 

1) :lol: the left is suddenly against "baseless and dangerous claims" :lol: In other news, grizzly bears are saying that eating salmon is bad for you. 

2) Global went silverback on this guy, how dare he question the vaunted liberal party?

3) I AGREE WITH GLOBAL!

LET'S NOT LISTEN TO ANYTHING THAT THIS GUY HAS TO SAY!!!!!!! HE'S JUST A PARTY INSIDER, WHAT COULD HE POSSIBLY KNOW?

 

THE NEWS MEDIA IS COMPLETELY RIGHT TO SHUT THIS GUY DOWN. THE MEDIA SHOULD NEVER LOOK INTO SUCH A BASELESS ALLEGATION UNLESS IT'S ANONYMOUS!!!!!! /sarcasm

 

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What is taking Health Canada so long?

While Canada and Canadians are desperate for Covid vaccines, Health Canada appears to be taking its time to approve the use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine or the AstraZeneca which their use have been approved in other western countries. Sometimes I ask myself if we really need such bureaucracy which may do more harm than good!!!!!

This is from today:

While only the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are currently approved for use in the country, Elliott, Premier Doug Ford, and Ret. Gen. Rick Hillier, the head of Ontario's COVID-19 vaccine task force, urged Health Canada to speed up approvals for other vaccines that have been rubber-stamped in other countries.

"We need to explore every avenue possible, no matter if it is asking Health Canada to speed up the approvals on the... Johnson and Johnson vaccine or the AstraZeneca. We need the approval as quickly as possible. Pfizer has let us down tremendously," Ford said on Thursday.

“Health Canada please. We need your help. Please approve these. These have been approved other places around the world."

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6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What is taking Health Canada so long?

While Canada and Canadians are desperate for Covid vaccines, Health Canada appears to be taking its time to approve the use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine or the AstraZeneca which their use have been approved in other western countries. Sometimes I ask myself if we really need such bureaucracy which may do more harm than good!!!!!

This is from today:

While only the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are currently approved for use in the country, Elliott, Premier Doug Ford, and Ret. Gen. Rick Hillier, the head of Ontario's COVID-19 vaccine task force, urged Health Canada to speed up approvals for other vaccines that have been rubber-stamped in other countries.

"We need to explore every avenue possible, no matter if it is asking Health Canada to speed up the approvals on the... Johnson and Johnson vaccine or the AstraZeneca. We need the approval as quickly as possible. Pfizer has let us down tremendously," Ford said on Thursday.

“Health Canada please. We need your help. Please approve these. These have been approved other places around the world."

They can't review the data until they get it from J&J and AstraZeneca. Apparently they are just getting the J&J data now. 

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51 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They can't review the data until they get it from J&J and AstraZeneca. Apparently they are just getting the J&J data now. 

AstraZeneca vaccine gas been approved in other countries and used widely already. Is Health Canada superior to others or they get different data than those already approved and used?

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca (AZD1222) Adenovirus vaccine BARDA, OWS UK UK, Argentina, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, India, Bangladesh, Mexico, Nepal, Pakistan, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Hungary, Thailand
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On 1/24/2021 at 8:27 PM, oops said:

Looks like Justin has come full circle. I graduated high school in 1971, during the tenure of Pierre Elliot Trudeau. He increased the federal debt by 720%, brought in wage and price controls, (which were actually just wage controls) and the war measures act to suspend peoples rights and freedoms. He was the worst prime minister Canada ever had. I didn't suspect that he would raise a son that would surpass all his father's  transgressions. I just hope that Justin's kids want to be architects or retailers, and don't carry on the family tradition.

I think that in a couple of decades from now some stupid people in Canada will once again fall in love with another Trudeau and vote for that Trudeau for the dicktator of Canada. It would seem that some people will just never get enough of the royal screwing that the Trudeau family have been given Canada and Canadians for several decades now. Some people are just born stupid. Old man comrade Trudeau was the one that started Canada on the road to ruin and destruction. His young punk kid is working hard to finish off Canada forever. Remember this Trudeau is behind the push for the great new reset which of course means it will be globalist communism for us all. Believe it or not. 

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1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What is taking Health Canada so long?

While Canada and Canadians are desperate for Covid vaccines, Health Canada appears to be taking its time to approve the use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine or the AstraZeneca which their use have been approved in other western countries. Sometimes I ask myself if we really need such bureaucracy which may do more harm than good!!!!!

This is from today:

While only the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are currently approved for use in the country, Elliott, Premier Doug Ford, and Ret. Gen. Rick Hillier, the head of Ontario's COVID-19 vaccine task force, urged Health Canada to speed up approvals for other vaccines that have been rubber-stamped in other countries.

"We need to explore every avenue possible, no matter if it is asking Health Canada to speed up the approvals on the... Johnson and Johnson vaccine or the AstraZeneca. We need the approval as quickly as possible. Pfizer has let us down tremendously," Ford said on Thursday.

“Health Canada please. We need your help. Please approve these. These have been approved other places around the world."

I am one Canadian who is not ready or willing to take any vaccine at all. Vaccines are only for fools and idiots who can be talked into and made to believe that if they do not take this Covid vaccine soon they are all going to die.

I enjoy watching the fools and idiots lining up for the shot. Injecting crap into their bodies that may do more harm than good. It's quite obvious that those people have not been doing too much reading these days about this Covid vaccine. If they did they would have read stories about people who have been vaccinated and who have been seriously injured or have died days or weeks later after taking this Covid vaccine. The internet is full of horror stories about the fools and idiots who took the shot. But if you want to take the shot than go for it and good luck. I hope that you do not get injured or die from the shot. Hey, you never know, eh? ;)

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