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Canada's screwed up warship competition


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Good news! No need to worry about any of the procurement programs DND is running because every single one of them,  yes, 100% are on time and on budget! So says DND's report to parliament. Yes, the open and transparent government of Justin Trudeau is happy to tell us all that they're doing just wonderful in every single way.

Just don't ask to examine the documents. Because that's just not happening.

Military equipment procurement is not only well managed but all programs are within budget and on schedule, the Department of National Defence has boasted to parliament.

But with shipbuilding projects going billions of dollars over cost and other equipment purchases delayed, a Conservative MP says the department’s claims are pure fantasy.

“Defence equipment acquisition is well-managed,” the Department of National Defence noted in its 2021-2022 plan recently presented to parliament. One hundred per cent of the projects remained on their approved schedules and cost in the fiscal year 2019-2020, the planning report added.

But Conservative MP Kelly McCauley said the report seems to be a window into an alternate universe. “I find it mind-boggling they are trying to claim everything is on schedule when obviously that isn’t the case,” said McCauley, who monitors procurement on the Commons government operations committee. “DND seems detached from reality.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/military-procurement-a-success-says-dnd-mp-questions-whether-the-department-has-lost-touch-with-reality

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Thats because Justin told us his government is honest and transparent , so transparent they had to invoke laws normally used to cover evidence in terrorist cases...

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In addition, the federal government has tried to limit the amount of information available on the surface combatant project. It is using a legal measure usually reserved for terrorism cases to prevent lawyers from examining documents on the controversial acquisition.

Perhaps a liberal can explain why they would do that... I know won't happen...how does a 14 bil dollar project blow up to a 77 bil one, and it does not include subs, or destroyer replacement, or the big honkin ship we were looking at...

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

It's a coastal patrol corvette, the Type 26 frigate displaces 15 times as much.

It's also just a hundred million, a fraction of what the new arctic patrol ships cost, and has a top speed of 45 knots.

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

It's also just a hundred million, a fraction of what the new arctic patrol ships cost, and has a top speed of 45 knots.

Yes but here in Canada government contracts are make work projects, and another way to funnel funds back into the major corps that fund politicians IE Irving, I think it is a unwritten rule if it is a government contract charge 10 times the price..

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

It's also just a hundred million, a fraction of what the new arctic patrol ships cost, and has a top speed of 45 knots.

Can it do 45 knots in ice? It's and apples and oranges comparison but I agree who builds it is more important than what they are building and how much it costs to our governments.

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16 hours ago, Aristides said:

Can it do 45 knots in ice? It's and apples and oranges comparison but I agree who builds it is more important than what they are building and how much it costs to our governments.

The Arctic Patrol ships are largely unarmed. So it really doesn't matter what they can do in arctic ice since they can't do anything anyway. They could serve as coast guard ships up there, but they're not really naval vessels. 

And can you suggest why they cost about 7-8 times more when the only advantage they seem to have is a stronger hull?

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8 hours ago, Argus said:

The Arctic Patrol ships are largely unarmed. So it really doesn't matter what they can do in arctic ice since they can't do anything anyway. They could serve as coast guard ships up there, but they're not really naval vessels. 

And can you suggest why they cost about 7-8 times more when the only advantage they seem to have is a stronger hull?

I agree, they are woefully underarmed, not warships at all. 

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They are ice hardened, meaning they can't be used all year round, and they can't break or operate in major ice such as winter or early spring the ice is to think... The coast guard would be needed to break up the ice.. Maybe they should have bought armed ice breakers and give them to the Coast Guard instead of these fantasy boats which won't last very long in any military deployment...

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The Canadian Coast Guard is Dept. of Fisheries. Not military at all. Not even police.

I am aware of that, currently our coast Guard vessels are not armed like the US, and it is not in their mandate to patrol the coast or protect it in any way, like the US CG does. 

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  the coast guard is tasked with marine search and rescue, communication, navigation, and transportation issues in Canadian waters, such as navigation aids and icebreaking, marine pollution response, and support for other Canadian government initiatives.

The department of fisheries, RCMP, depend on mostly DND for any off shore duties, when assets are available, why not give those duties to the coast Guard and free up Naval assets to do navy things, let them patrol our coast lines, and deal with fisheries and drug related issues. Shit we could even give them maritime search and rescue, and allow our military SAR to concentrate on Military SAR issues. 

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