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6 hours ago, myata said:

As soon as it was clear there's a real problem free things should have been done: 1) inform public clearly and timely (Germany, Norway etc have done it) 2) make information on possible side effects immediately available to all healthcare practitioners, 3) inform the patient before vaccination and if possible, offer alternatives (in case of justified concerns).

None, ? and none, almost a month on.

I was given the AZ vaccine yesterday, aware of the risks before I went in, and they were explained again before actually jabbed. 

Once again I see misinformation spread on this forum by right-wingers.  What is the matter with you people, anyway?

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Interesting how people will happily take prescription drugs (and some over counter drugs) with lists of possible side effects as long as your arm (some of them fatal) then balk at a vaccine that has shown a 0.000167% chance of giving them a blood clot.

Humans are weird.

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3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Left-wingers readily take drugs of any kind....legal or illegal.  

Right-wingers are completely lost in some bizarre alternate reality, even stone-cold sober.  At least left-wingers are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.  

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Right-wingers are completely lost in some bizarre alternate reality, even stone-cold sober.  At least left-wingers are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.  

 

So you agree with my assessment about lefties and drugs.

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Right-wingers are completely lost in some bizarre alternate reality, even stone-cold sober.  At least left-wingers are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.  

I don't think the rational around AstraZeneca hesitancy is particularly a left right thing, It's a lack of perspective thing.

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Stop lying and spreading virus disonformation,,

Just today they announced another 30 Britons have the blood clots. The Netherlands has banned AZ for anyone below 65.

Meanwhile in Canada, it is 55. At least that's what it is the last time I checked so it could change any day now, go up or down as it did before. Because they don't really know.

Personally, I see no reason to play Russian roulette,, with peolpes lives...

 

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18 hours ago, dialamah said:

Once again I see misinformation spread on this forum by right-wingers.  What is the matter with you people, anyway?

Just sad if / when to legitimate questions all one can get is an ideological stamp du jour. But oh well, travel from Wuhan explained quite a bit here, little surprise. So it is impossible, has been proven and ruled out that for some individuals with some specific conditions, not general statistics, not being informed about possible side effects could be a life matter?

1) inform public clearly and timely

even the story broke in Canada a week after is was reported on the main news channels. It was suspended for under 55 three weeks later than in some European countries where scientists investigated the problem rather when swiping it away with general statistics.

2) make information on possible side effects immediately available to all healthcare practitioners

> two to three weeks delay

3) inform the patient before vaccination and if possible, offer alternatives (in case of legitimate concerns)

> have you been offered an alternative, if there was a legitimate concern for example, previous medical history?

If this is "misinformation" then what is "travel from Wuhan, no problem"? An honest ... what? Incompetence? Carelessness with matters of public health? Or top of the smart, eighteen years after SARS?

 

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2 hours ago, myata said:

even the story broke in Canada a week after is was reported on the main news channels. It was suspended for under 55 three weeks later than in some European countries where scientists investigated the problem rather when swiping it away with general statistics.

And if Canada had suspended use because Europe did, your bunch woulda had some issue with that - probably something like "Trudeau can't even think for himself.. yada yada yada".  

2 hours ago, myata said:

have you been offered an alternative, if there was a legitimate concern for example, previous medical history?

Yes, I could wait a few weeks for other vaccines. 

You ask questions that even a tiny bit of common sense provides obvious answers to.

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There have been 26 reported deaths following vaccination in Canada.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-vaccine-side-effects-reported-in-60-cases-out-of-100000

I would not recommend it, if given the option. And there is no reason why you should have to, at this point.

Suspending its use for a given age group is pretty serious. There is no guarantee that age alone protects you from the side effects.

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UK regulator says AstraZeneca jab safe after 7 clot deaths
The Canadian Press - Apr 3, 2021 / 7:19 am

"Though the agency said late Friday that seven people had died as a result of developing blood clots, it didn’t disclose any information about their ages or health conditions."

 

Note I only provide information from reliable sources. These are not my words. You have problem? Go to them.

I tell you what though. I would sue the shit of the government if me or my loved ones died after taking AZ. Apparently you have to sign a waiver, too.

Class action? Laws, yes...

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21 hours ago, dialamah said:

And if Canada had suspended use because Europe did, your bunch woulda had some issue with that - probably something like "Trudeau can't even think for himself.. yada yada yada". 

The difference with "travel from Wuhan" in this case is that if some folks, Heavens forbid, kept getting those effects under the "very safe" muzak it may very well lead to multi-million (or billion?) lawsuits eventually. Nobody yet assumed any responsibility for the "Wuhan" fiasco, and haven't even tried to explain what it meant. That was then and we are now and we always know what's best for you, little folk.

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6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

UK regulator says AstraZeneca jab safe after 7 clot deaths
The Canadian Press - Apr 3, 2021 / 7:19 am

"Though the agency said late Friday that seven people had died as a result of developing blood clots, it didn’t disclose any information about their ages or health conditions."

 

Note I only provide information from reliable sources. These are not my words. You have problem? Go to them.

I tell you what though. I would sue the shit of the government if me or my loved ones died after taking AZ. Apparently you have to sign a waiver, too.

Class action? Laws, yes...

You have an over 30% chance of developing clots if you wind up in ICU from covid. Maybe the government should just say fuck it, we aren't going to provide vaccines if we are going to get sued for every bad reaction.

 

BTW, No one is being forced to take any vaccine. If you don't like the odds, don't take it. 

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8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

UK regulator says AstraZeneca jab safe after 7 clot deaths
The Canadian Press - Apr 3, 2021 / 7:19 am

"Though the agency said late Friday that seven people had died as a result of developing blood clots, it didn’t disclose any information about their ages or health conditions."

 

Note I only provide information from reliable sources. These are not my words. You have problem? Go to them.

I tell you what though. I would sue the shit of the government if me or my loved ones died after taking AZ. Apparently you have to sign a waiver, too.

Class action? Laws, yes...

Funny how you are all about not wearing masks, or reducing social interaction because the risk of dying from Covid is so small (2 out of 100), but are up in arms about a tiny risk (37 out of a 2 million) with a vaccine.  

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4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Funny how you are all about not wearing masks, or reducing social interaction because the risk of dying from Covid is so small (2 out of 100), but are up in arms about a tiny risk (37 out of a 2 million) with a vaccine. 

Then, after Covid...

 

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Funny how you are all about not wearing masks, or reducing social interaction because the risk of dying from Covid is so small (2 out of 100), but are up in arms about a tiny risk (37 out of a 2 million) with a vaccine.  

Strange how quickly you people change your minds when it comes to the risk of dying. I realize it may not matter much to you, but those families will never see their loved ones ever again.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Strange how quickly you people change your minds when it comes to the risk of dying. I realize it may not matter much to you, but those families will never see their loved ones ever again.

What about the families of the 23,000 Canadians who have died of covid, do you think they might have wished their dead loved ones had a chance of taking a vaccine that had a 37 in two million chance of killing them?

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It may be too complicated for the single reflex propaganda folks to grasp the difference between general statistical risk (occasional drivers averaged with professional racers ) and individual condition-related ones (professional racer). If the effect can be linked to or affect someone with a previous condition, they should be entitled to full compensation. For some saying "completely safe" is just as easy as "travel from Wuhan is no problem" and complacency would only encourage this careless attitude to other people's health and their duties with over-generous compensation at public expense.

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10 hours ago, Aristides said:

What about the families of the 23,000 Canadians who have died of covid, do you think they might have wished their dead loved ones had a chance of taking a vaccine that had a 37 in two million chance of killing them?

Its a tragedy. Statistics dont equate to the tragic lives of individuals. Every life is scared.

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1 hour ago, myata said:

It may be too complicated for the single reflex propaganda folks to grasp the difference between general statistical risks (occasional drivers averaged with professional racers ) and individual condition-related ones (professional racer). If the effect can be linked to or affect someone with a previous condition, ....

P.S. I wonder how many of them are specialists and public health experts"? (the claim of a real expert is not in the chair and position but in the confirmed excellence of delivered results). Based on the experience of travel from Wuhan, can't be very hopeful.

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18 hours ago, Aristides said:

What about the families of the 23,000 Canadians who have died of covid, do you think they might have wished their dead loved ones had a chance of taking a vaccine that had a 37 in two million chance of killing them?

Not even a 37 in 2 million chance of dying, but only of having a clot.  That was in Germany; the UK was different (can't remember the numbers exactly) and researchers aren't sure why, but possibly because each country prioritized different age groups, or maybe the clots weren't directly caused by the vaccine.  

Anyway, still lots to learn.

 

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8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Its a tragedy. Statistics dont equate to the tragic lives of individuals. Every life is scared.

You haven't been too concerned about the tragedy of Covid deaths, as you've propagandized against even the softest of shut downs and mask use.  

In lower mainland, Richmond (Chinese dominated population) residents adopted mask-wearing early and widely, as well as staying home, and has had the lowest rate of infection in the lower mainland.

Meanwhile, too many idjits blame Chinese people for the virus, even physically attack them, and whine about mask use and shut downs.

 

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5 hours ago, dialamah said:

You haven't been too concerned about the tragedy of Covid deaths, as you've propagandized against even the softest of shut downs and mask use.  

In lower mainland, Richmond (Chinese dominated population) residents adopted mask-wearing early and widely, as well as staying home, and has had the lowest rate of infection in the lower mainland.

Meanwhile, too many idjits blame Chinese people for the virus, even physically attack them, and whine about mask use and shut downs.

 

Bullshit. I advised on protecting the vulnerable and the proper use of masks, and how they also present a risk. I see that false sense of security happening quite often, and interestingly sometimes by the most ardent maskers and sidewalk-dodging social distancers. Put that paper napkin on their face and they become almost giddy with joy and forget themselves. Poor bastards, so racked with fear.

 

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