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This shows how irresponsible the Quebec government is' printing public stop signs in a minority language (possibly endangering peoples lives) and does not say much for the federal government allowing this, and does not exactly jive with the international language of the world.

"Officer I had no idea an eight sided bright red sign on a post reading "Arret " at the junction of these two roads could EVER mean for me to stop. "

"So you must be an english canuck moron eh?"

Please...arret....my sides are killing me.

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I only know a single language and in my mind NO OTHER language other than majority English matters and that's the only language I will ever fight for, the language of the victors who won Canada

I am sorry, didn't someone post "dont be an ass"? Hey that was you !

Now you are being a jackass. The post was not related to you, unless of course you are part of 'la grand conspiracy' and feel threatened.

Internet commando, have you at least, for our sake, thought of maybe moving somewhere else ?

Who are you and who is we? One of the tin pot dictators or just a granola crunching lefty?

I will always remember what the FLQ did and don't think for a moment if push ever comes to shove, the English are as equally as capable of pursuing national goals.
Oh good one, cuz we all know the FLQ is a valid rep for every Quebecer.

No, not all of them but about 50%, as proven by previous Quebec referendums.

We know we know, the Govt forgot your phone number when the Charter was being written and since they did not consult you it is worthless.

It is obvious to see you are anti-democratic and desire the leadership of a totalitarian government.

The U.S. really puts Canada to shame when it comes to important changes in their constitution and does not allow the government of the day to freely re-write history.

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Why should we have any form of bilingualism at all? The only legal right Quebec has pertaining to French, is relating to the use of French in its own province, excluding of course Charter rights that are responsible for the undemocratic 'French Languages Act in Ontario' that discriminates against the majority English language in Ontario, and forces majority English taxpayers to provide French services to 24 Francophone designated areas in Ontario. If Quebec choose not to deal with the ROC in English, so be it, big deal.

Why not have bilingualism? We have two official languages, so we might as well harmonize them. Québec decided to do like Texas and have their own charter of rights. It's actually kind of cool. Assuming you are conservative, you probably like Mr. Bush and the United States, especially Texas. In fact, I've been to Texas and loved everything about it. It makes for another interesting place on the map, and if you don't like it, no one is forcing you to live there. Bilingualism is present where a significant portion of residents speak the minority official language of their locale (English in Québec and French elsewhere), some of the time. Bilingual assistants are not available within some distance from all the significant francophone communities out West because Western provinces will not subsidize French language schools beyond a certain grade for the most part, so bilingualism has not yet complied with its natural demand.

An artificial demand is not all that bad, though. If the Canadian government requires bilingualism for 100% of its jobs, then more people are more motivated in being bilingual, then the private sector will start prefering bilingual candidates because it means they're hiring the more motivated candidates in general, meaning the Canadian economy will most likely increase because the private sector's efficiency would increase (because they would be hiring more motivated and most likely more intelligent candidates, who would not only be qualified but also fluent in two languages). Eventually, (virtually) all well paying jobs would require bilingualism just because they could and a much higher proportion of Canadians would be bilingual. This is indeed your nightmare, but it's in a strange way a utopia. Canadians are probably already the world's biggest bookworms, I'm certain Canadians could easily become bilingual for the msot part. If most Canadians are bilingual, hate between Canadians of different prefered domestic languages will be nearly eliminated, which to me is worth whatever amount Canadians are paying in taxes to make Canada more bilingual. In reality though, the demand is already existing thanks to the Canadian people, but if the government does establish an artificial demand for bilingualism, it wouldn't be all bad.

There are no English taxpayers nor French services in Canada... there are Canadian taxpayers and Canadian services in Canada. If you are refering to anglophone taxpayers, they're paying into Canadian services offered in both languages, and just like the francophones, have the right to choose in which language they wish to be served by their government. In the case of Ontario, where either no one or almost no one speaks French, they do not require bilingualism. Going by your terms, you are then paying less into something you would not benefit from, so we all win.

To begin with bilingualism should be determined by the people, not the government, with the latter being the case in Canada.

The federal government of Canada has effectively poisoned any chance for bilingualism to succeed by trying to create a purpose for bilingualism and as failed miserably.

Bilingualism is determined by the people. As mentioned earlier, we have bilingualism because of Canadian voters who insist on being served in their prefered domestic language, and the private sector's this for bilingualism can only be conceived by a natural demand.

I wouldn't say bilingualism's chance to succeed has been completely spoiled. They're doing all they can do. Actually, Leafless, I'll ask you to think hypothetically of how you would make Canada a bilingual country had your life depended on it. I'm kinda curious as to how you'd go about it.

Secondly, the federal government of Canada failed to incorporate Canadians to decide if we really want bilingualism.

Thirdly, it has failed by allowing Quebec to incorporate a racist language policy, Bill-101, that defies Charter rights.

Secondly, like guyser said, we could spend much more tax money asking all Canadians if they want bilingualism.

Thirdly, Bill 101 is not racist! BC has a similar language policy. Not to the same extent as Québec's crazy language police, but they require all signs to be written in English, even for retaurants (because American tourists complained they couldn't read the signs in Chinese in Canada). If Bill 101 is racist, then so is BC's language law. I think language laws limit freedom, usually out of arbitrary selfishness, but they still don't fall under racism.

Fourthly, for the government of Canada not to aggressively pursue 'official bilingualism' in Quebec, recognizes Quebec as being 'officially distinct' is totally undemocratic in the sense Quebec is a province in Canada and Canadians must be involved in the process to determine Quebec's so called distinctness.

Fifthly, everything that concerns bilingualism in Canada such as 'official languages', official multiculturalism, the Charter of rights and Freedoms was done unilaterally in a most undemocratic manner by the federal government, excluding the 'legal collective will' of all Canadians.

Fourthly, The feds are not trying to persue the provinces in becoming bilingual at this time. Sure Ontarian and Federal liberals may be good friends, but I am unaware of any bribes the federal government would be giving Ontario towards bilingual policies (I think the feds have become pretty transparent since the scandal). Even if Québec were to join Canada like all other provinces, they would still only have one official language in their province, so it wouldn't change much.

I will add that a friend of mine, who happens to be an anglophone from Québec, noticed he was asked his first language for the purpose of receiving a paycheck in Québec, which goes against even Québec's charter of rights, so apparently they don't even run their own show very well. I don't live in Québec, so I cannot complain about their provincial policies other than their extreme socialism, being the biggest reason why I don't move there (because Montréal would be a much funner city than Ottawa, but I'm not going to leave Ottawa just to live in a more socialist place).

Fifthly, check this out:

The Department of Canadian Heritage is working hard to ensure that Canada's cultural diversity is recognized and respected. Canada became the first country in the world to declare itself officially multicultural over 30 years ago. Today, more than one Canadian in five was born in another country. By 2006, it is expected that about 43 percent of Canada's population will be of origins other than Aboriginal, French or English.

Date modified: 2003-12-15

Found at http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/pc-ch/pu...2/no_01/1_e.cfm.

Canada being an officially multicultural country is a self-declaration and to me seems like an arbitrary term used by policitians to promote good things like abolishing racism and increasing tolerance towards bilingualism. Just because Canada declares itself an officially multicultural country to me makes it no different than if it did not declare anything about its culture within its borders. Sure this declaration may have been undemocratic, but asking all Canadians whether they liked the way it sounded everytime they were to declare anything would drive us into bankruptcy.

If bilingualism is not free flowing on its own accord, then it is not bilingualism but state legislated languages, a disgusting abnormality, in a democratic society.

The private sector is reflecting the natural demand bilingualism. If it were purely an artificial demand, it would never pass.

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I know leafless, you got embarassed and struck hard at me. Thats ok , I can take it. Dont be too embarassed though, cuz you are sure to come along any minute now and rant about not being asked something else that happens in this country.

Undemocratic and totalitarian....oh my. You couldnt get off the couch and vote last time again?

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"Officer I had no idea an eight sided bright red sign on a post reading "Arret " at the junction of these two roads could EVER mean for me to stop. "

"So you must be an english canuck moron eh?"

Please...arret....my sides are killing me.

For anyone to guess what the wording on a sign means is plain dangerous.

This only shows the contempt for the English language the Quebec government has for the entire country.

No doubt, I am a English speaking canuck moron to tolerate the federal government, that allows Quebec to behave like a country, within the confines of Canada that includes nine other stifled provinces.

I mean this belongs in Ripley's as Canada being the most politically twisted country in the world.

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Undemocratic and totalitarian....oh my. You couldnt get off the couch and vote last time again?

Votes are BOUGHT and not CAST in this country.

Why should I get off the couch to vote...Treat me like a moron and I will act like a moron.

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Who are you and who is we? One of the tin pot dictators or just a granola crunching lefty?

You are someone living in a place that you consider to be terrible, we are people who don't think it's all that bad.

No, not all of them but about 50%, as proven by previous Quebec referendums.

Almost 50% of Québécois have seperatist values, often limited to sovereignty-association (not full seperation, rather running their own show, like the natives do, so it would be like a nation within a nation). To say that all residents of Québec having seperatist values are crazy commies/ticking time-bombs is incredibly narrow-minded.

It is obvious to see you are anti-democratic and desire the leadership of a totalitarian government.

The U.S. really puts Canada to shame when it comes to important changes in their constitution and does not allow the government of the day to freely re-write history.

Oh, and you think you're more democratic? You want to shove your ideals down the government's throat, regardless of the fact that language policies are being passed in our democratic system.

The US government is awsome. They never had a federal official language and despite the fact that the majority were in favor of establishing one, it didn't pass. However, this only supports the plurality of domestic languages, because individual states could decide whether or not they would cater to its minorities (and clever Texas doesn't have an official state language either).

The U.S. was formed by ex-British loyalist the same British loyalist that won Canada and both use the English language. Our constitution is British as our laws are based on English laws.

Funny how neither of these countries would limit themselves to the English language. The US was formed by patriots, the loyalists fled to Canada (who spoke like Americans by then according to a Canadian documentary on Canadian English). Québec itself was an English colony yet Québec and Louisiana use the Napolean law system, which is obsolete in France. Either way, regardless of our law system, it does not mean we should be bound to the language spoken by those who conceived that system.

It would be a lot easier for Quebec to leave Canada as they are the root of continual constitutional problems. Besides, you don't really know how many Canadians despise any type of official bilingualism, as the citizens of Canada were never given the official opportunity to be heard concerning any issue concerning official bilingualism or our Charter. We need a referendum to determine that officially, as polls cannot be trusted.

The easy way out is not always the best solution. We know you despise of official bilingualism, but anyone wanting to make a difference should get involved and step into parliament. A referendum would only stir up anxiety.

No its not.

Our constitution was given to us by the British and so are our English based laws as well as English being the language of the large majority. In case you didn't know the Queen is still 'Queen of Canada'.

I am well aware of this. I think I'll agree with many young Australians I've met that we should leave the commonwealth and become a republic. We should have done like the Americans and kicked the English out of our country way back when the loyalists came in, or join the United States when Maine did.

This shows how irresponsible the Quebec government is' printing public stop signs in a minority language (possibly endangering peoples lives) and does not say much for the federal government allowing this, and does not exactly jive with the international language of the world.

There are signs that say "Arrêt" in Ontariario. I find them interesting. Seriously though, I've seen stop signs in Spanish in Latin America, but putting them up in English will not make the panamerican any safer. Most stop signs I've seen so far in Europe have no words on them, just using international symbols (there are still some American-style stop signs though, but not nearly as many as the wordless ones).

My only complaint about Québec's "Arrêt" signs is that they are not properly translated. It's a noun and not the imperative form, whereas Yield has been translated to "Cédez" (imperative form). In other words the stop sign is informing the people that it is a stop, yet not ordering people to stop. This is just a technicality, and anyone with a North American or international driver's licence should be able to recognize an eight-sided red sign.

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Votes are BOUGHT and not CAST in this country.

Why should I get off the couch to vote...Treat me like a moron and I will act like a moron.

You don't even vote? Then you shouldn't even be listened to! Canada could be more democratic, but times are getting better. When the liberals were in federal budget was being flushed with frequent elections, but it's slowly getting better. When people like you don't vote, other people's intentions are being carried out.

For anyone to guess what the wording on a sign means is plain dangerous.

This only shows the contempt for the English language the Quebec government has for the entire country.

No doubt, I am a English speaking canuck moron to tolerate the federal government, that allows Quebec to behave like a country, within the confines of Canada that includes nine other stifled provinces.

I mean this belongs in Ripley's as Canada being the most politically twisted country in the world.

No guessing is needed, the signs' meaning is pretty obvious. Latin America does not always comply with the "international language" for stop signs (not only that, there is not even a standard throughout Latin America... I've seen wordless signs, some saying "Alto", some saying "Para", etc. At least Québec's stop signs all look the same).

The other nine provinces have almost as much freedom as Québec... they just have fewer communists.

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For anyone to guess what the wording on a sign means is plain dangerous.

Cut it out will ya? The guy in the next office came in and asked what was so funny. I showed him the quote above , and told him you meant an "arret" or "stop" sign .

He said it could be written in Cantonese and everyone would know what it meant, eight sides, bright red..... Well....'cept you .

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Votes are BOUGHT and not CAST in this country.

Why should I get off the couch to vote...Treat me like a moron and I will act like a moron.

You have it backwards, act like a moron first, THEN get treated like one. See it is like respect, you earn it , it is not a given .

Let me guess, Elections Canada didnt call and ask if your schedule allowed you to vote on a certain day ?

If votes are bought I havent seen a cheque , nor cash for it.

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Why not have bilingualism? We have two official languages, so we might as well harmonize them.

An artificial demand is not all that bad, though.

Why have bilingualism? Simple because you can not dictate bilingualism and that is what the undemocratic situation is now. Language and culture is like a fairy tale in Canada. One morning you wake up and find we have two official languages. Another morning you wake up and we are officially multicultural. Another morning you wake up and we have federal government official bilingualism, etc. etc. etc.

If the Canadian government requires bilingualism for 100% of its jobs, then more people are more motivated in being bilingual.

Not really, I think its working completely the other way. For instance my son-in-law works for the feds a makes 80k. His boss is a Francophone who out rightly refuses to speak English. As a result there is dissension, animosity and hatred although no one wants to report the prick, for fear of job loss.

I lived through the Francophone invasion of Tunney's Pasture a government complex in Ottawa where they were suddenly trying to Frenchify the entire complex. This meant getting rid of English speaking supervisors and replacing them with Francophone's. In turn the Francophone supervisors made room for more Francophone's by picking on English speaking employees, one at a time, using methods like not giving the individual any work for weeks and months at a time until they quit in frustration. there were many other methods used to get rid of English speaking employee's.

There are no English taxpayers nor French services in Canada... there are Canadian taxpayers and Canadian services in Canada.

Then why has Quebec linguistically sealed itself off from the rest of Canada with a discriminating Charter resembling something from Nazi Germany?

Bilingualism is determined by the people. As mentioned earlier, we have bilingualism because of Canadian voters who insist on being served in their prefered domestic language, and the private sector's this for bilingualism can only be conceived by a natural demand.

There is no natural demand for bilingualism. Forcing Canadian to speak a minority residential language does not produce a bilingual society. Even in Ottawa, Ontario, business is catering to Ottawa's undemocratic bilingual policy. This is not natural demand as Ottawa tax payers were not involved in Ottawa's bilingual policy, which is outrageous.

I wouldn't say bilingualism's chance to succeed has been completely spoiled. They're doing all they can do. Actually, Leafless, I'll ask you to think hypothetically of how you would make Canada a bilingual country had your life depended on it. I'm kinda curious as to how you'd go about it.

You cannot force a country to be bilingual.

The Department of Canadian Heritage is working hard to ensure that Canada's cultural diversity is recognized and respected. Canada became the first country in the world to declare itself officially multicultural over 30 years ago. Today, more than one Canadian in five was born in another country. By 2006, it is expected that about 43 percent of Canada's population will be of origins other than Aboriginal, French or English.

These are all doctored statistics. the 43% makes it sound like that is the percentage of the ethnic population in Canada, which it is not. The only reason the feds make a big fuss over culture is for the benefit of Quebec, to try to drown out the majority English speaking population.

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. One morning you wake up and find we have two official languages. Another morning you wake up and we are officially multicultural. Another morning you wake up and we have federal government official bilingualism, etc. etc. etc.

Ahh , ....theres the problem, You sleep too much.

You must have been sleeping since Canada was founded , you know with some over there =====> speaking French , and others over there <===== speaking English.

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For anyone to guess what the wording on a sign means is plain dangerous.

Cut it out will ya? The guy in the next office came in and asked what was so funny. I showed him the quote above , and told him you meant an "arret" or "stop" sign .

He said it could be written in Cantonese and everyone would know what it meant, eight sides, bright red..... Well....'cept you .

Point is guyser...it shows contempt for the international language of the world and the majority language of Canada and it is dangerous, as French, outside of France is only popular in African countries.

You know funny as it may sound, we use English in Canada and North America and 'arret' is a foreign word, not known to all.

French is not as popular as you might think it is.

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Point is guyser...it shows contempt for the international language of the world and the majority language of Canada and it is dangerous, as French, outside of France is only popular in African countries.

It does not show comtempt for anything. I do not understand how you come to that.

Go to Texas, Arizona, Cali and what do you find there? Spanish only signs, not street signs mind you but Spanish. same in Miami.

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You have it backwards, act like a moron first, THEN get treated like one. See it is like respect, you earn it , it is not a given .

No it has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with intellect. If the government thinks it is privledged to allow me to vote for unknown policies that will be inplemented by that government, then that absolutely is treating an individual like a moron. Get it!

If votes are bought I havent seen a cheque , nor cash for it.

Then why, citing in a single instance are the Liberals so popular in Eastern Canada?

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Point is guyser...it shows contempt for the international language of the world and the majority language of Canada and it is dangerous, as French, outside of France is only popular in African countries.

It does not show comtempt for anything. I do not understand how you come to that.

Go to Texas, Arizona, Cali and what do you find there? Spanish only signs, not street signs mind you but Spanish. same in Miami.

I don't have to go to Texas, in Ottawa, Ontario we have signs entirely in Arabic.

But yet these signs have nothing to do with driving on PUBLIC ROADWAYS.

When you post signs in a minority foreign language in a majority English country, it is showing contempt for the majority English language as Quebec is a province and not a country, something apparently, it does not quite realize.

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Oh, and you think you're more democratic? You want to shove your ideals down the government's throat, regardless of the fact that language policies are being passed in our democratic system.

No, what I expect on important issues like constitutional changes are referendums, like what Quebec was allowed to have. Our democratic system is blind to the 'collective will of Canadians'.

The US government is awsome. They never had a federal official language and despite the fact that the majority were in favor of establishing one, it didn't pass. However, this only supports the plurality of domestic languages, because individual states could decide whether or not they would cater to its minorities (and clever Texas doesn't have an official state language either).

Not bad for a country that harbours 337 languages.

That's how free the U.S. is, no official language, but this could change in the near future due to abuse by illegal immigrants trying to establish Spanish as a working language.

But there are quite a few states that are designated 'officially English' being:Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming.

But English as always been the 'de facto' national language of the U.S.

And American English is the 'official language' used for legislation, regulations, executive orders, treaties, federal court rulings and all other official pronouncements.

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But there are quite a few states that are designated 'officially English' being:Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming.

Good Gollie! The world's greatest democracy has states that have the equivalent of Québec's Law 101? Are the U.S. getting to be as racist as Québec?

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These are all doctored statistics. the 43% makes it sound like that is the percentage of the ethnic population in Canada, which it is not. The only reason the feds make a big fuss over culture is for the benefit of Quebec, to try to drown out the majority English speaking population.

The feds used this term as a nonsense slogan to try to please everybody. It does not mean anything, unlike bilingual policies, which do mean something.

You cannot force a country to be bilingual.

No, but about 17% of Canadians are already bilingual, and the rest split for the most part between the two domestic languages. You can increase bilingualism, though. The best way is by changing the education system, requiring that all public schools be bilingual, but that is not likely to happen because the provinces would never agree to it. Otherwise, the government can make huge incentives to become bilingual, like offering higher income and more jobs to those who are. I was curious as to how you'd go about it in make Canada bilingual, Leafless, but you don't seem to make for as fun a discussion as I was hoping.

There is no natural demand for bilingualism. Forcing Canadian to speak a minority residential language does not produce a bilingual society. Even in Ottawa, Ontario, business is catering to Ottawa's undemocratic bilingual policy. This is not natural demand as Ottawa tax payers were not involved in Ottawa's bilingual policy, which is outrageous.

There is no benefit to the private sector in demanding bilingualism "just because". They demand it because they figure that if they can sell to locals in the locals' prefered domestic language, they'll increase revenue. They do it for the money, meaning that there is a natural demand. Should businesses ask you if they should prefer bilingual candidates? They're in it for the money, not to please tax payers, especially considering they do not get public funding (that's why they're the private sector).

Then why has Quebec linguistically sealed itself off from the rest of Canada with a discriminating Charter resembling something from Nazi Germany?

How is the Québec charter of rights so terrible? I haven't read it, all I know is that one of their rights is that they are to not be discriminated based on their first language. Please quote their charter of rights if you think it is so terrible.

Not really, I think its working completely the other way. For instance my son-in-law works for the feds a makes 80k. His boss is a Francophone who out rightly refuses to speak English. As a result there is dissension, animosity and hatred although no one wants to report the prick, for fear of job loss.

I lived through the Francophone invasion of Tunney's Pasture a government complex in Ottawa where they were suddenly trying to Frenchify the entire complex. This meant getting rid of English speaking supervisors and replacing them with Francophone's. In turn the Francophone supervisors made room for more Francophone's by picking on English speaking employees, one at a time, using methods like not giving the individual any work for weeks and months at a time until they quit in frustration. there were many other methods used to get rid of English speaking employee's.

Cool! Specific example! Ok, firstly did you tell your son-in-law to never learn French? I hope so, because you would hate a God-fearing English speaking Canadian to gain a linguistic skill in a language other than their own... particularly in the French language (because they ought to rather do other things). Ok, this is a specific case of people within the institution, also I am assuming that there is huge bias here. Let's assume that it is true as is for the sake of this discussion... this does not mean that all French speaking supervisors in Canada's public sector's priority would be to run out the anglophones. There may be individual cases of discrimination, but the policy itself does not discriminate against any people of any background.

Why have bilingualism? Simple because you can not dictate bilingualism and that is what the undemocratic situation is now. Language and culture is like a fairy tale in Canada. One morning you wake up and find we have two official languages. Another morning you wake up and we are officially multicultural. Another morning you wake up and we have federal government official bilingualism, etc. etc. etc.

Man, you sure sleep in. Plus official multiculturalism means nothing. It's a nonsense slogan for Canadian propaganda. It doesn't affect anyone other than cost us at most $0.01 in tax money per person once and that's it. Much more money has been wasted on other things, so paying a bit into a silly slogan is not changing anything.

Point is guyser...it shows contempt for the international language of the world and the majority language of Canada and it is dangerous, as French, outside of France is only popular in African countries.

You know funny as it may sound, we use English in Canada and North America and 'arret' is a foreign word, not known to all.

French is not as popular as you might think it is.

Isn't English Canada in North America? Superfluous redundancy! French has great importance outside of France and Africa, considering the French have colonies just about everywhere, and most EU offices are in Belgium and mostly use French in these EU offices. Regardless of "international languages", let's get back to within Canada's borders. Canada has two official languages, so putting stop signs in either language is fine.

Then why, citing in a single instance are the Liberals so popular in Eastern Canada?

Because Canada is a very socialist country. The Liberals are popular just about everywhere outside Alberta. They have big popularity in Manitoba and SK, and a big chunk of BC.

No it has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with intellect. If the government thinks it is privledged to allow me to vote for unknown policies that will be inplemented by that government, then that absolutely is treating an individual like a moron. Get it!

No, if it were about intellect, you'd know to get out of your seat and start influencing politicians.

When you post signs in a minority foreign language in a majority English country, it is showing contempt for the majority English language as Quebec is a province and not a country, something apparently, it does not quite realize.

They're aware that they're a province. They are quite aware that they have nto yet seperated. There are bilingual stop signs in Ottawa, which are pretty cool.

That's how free the U.S. is, no official language, but this could change in the near future due to abuse by illegal immigrants trying to establish Spanish as a working language.

Yeah, but as you said, the American government will not allow trends of the day to change their laws, unlike Canada. They had a majority favoring English as the only official language, yet it still didn't pass. Truly awsome! There's also no wrong in a company choosing to use its own language regardless of majority/official languages, if they can still make good money doing so. Canada's different, though. We've been evolving since day one, Canada's a younger country and we decided to take a different route, which cannot be stopped now.

No, what I expect on important issues like constitutional changes are referendums, like what Quebec was allowed to have. Our democratic system is blind to the 'collective will of Canadians'.

Ask the politicians to make a referendum. Not asking them will not make them any more likely to make one.

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No it has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with intellect. If the government thinks it is privledged to allow me to vote for unknown policies that will be inplemented by that government, then that absolutely is treating an individual like a moron. Get it!

Got it. I misinterpreted .

But this is like any other business. You own stocks I will assume. And you vote at the AGM , and I suppose you either vote to keep the CEO in place or start a removal process. Yet, he does not call and ask for a vote on every issue. Every four years or so, give or take, we do the same thing. You have your vote , same as anyone else.

Then why, citing in a single instance are the Liberals so popular in Eastern Canada?

Aside from the fact that they arent with the current man Dion in place? Man, loathe as I am to say it, Harper IS better than Dion. And I thought Chretien was painful, Dion is like root canal.

But to answer your question....hmm...I suppose because they have been the best at targeting what easteners want.

That and the "Harper is scary" stuff worked.Not to mention Stockwell was fodder for Eastern arrogance.

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But there are quite a few states that are designated 'officially English' being:Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Utah, Virginia, and Wyoming.

Good Gollie! The world's greatest democracy has states that have the equivalent of Québec's Law 101? Are the U.S. getting to be as racist as Québec?

The English language in the U.S. has always been the 'de facto' language of that COUNTRY and what the individual states do to protect that 'de facto' language from abuse is their right.

You are badly confused again seabee, carrying on as usual as if Quebec is a country, which it is not.

Again, the British won Canada and gave us our Constitution our English based laws and our English language.

What we lack badly in this country is the absense of solid leadership.

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The feds used this term as a nonsense slogan to try to please everybody. It does not mean anything, unlike bilingual policies, which do mean something.

Bilingual policies only mean something to the French, who have something to gain in English Canada, at the expense of the English and built on TOTALLY CORRUPT BILINGUAL POLICIES, unlike the English who are only discriminated on in 'La Belle Provence'.

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Bilingual policies only mean something to the French, who have something to gain in English Canada, at the expense of the English and built on TOTALLY CORRUPT BILINGUAL POLICIES, unlike the English who are only discriminated on in 'La Belle Provence'.

The French are in France and the English are in England. Canadians are in Canada, with the exception of some Canadians, Englishmen and Frenchmen living abroad. Apparently the bilingual policies have some sort of meaning to you, otherwise they wouldn't phase you. I was talking about Federal Bilingual Policies and propaganda, not provincial. Regardless of people of a given language in Québec and the rest of Canada, the feds are developing bilingual policies which does have a meaning to all Canadians. Official Multiculturalism is a joke of a slogan that Canada, followed by Sweden and Australia decided to put on, meaning they accept ethnic segregation, but do not force it. The government would not be any different had they not declared Canada officially multicultural.

Again, the British won Canada and gave us our Constitution our English based laws and our English language.

Yeah, but there's no reason for Canadians to lose the language of the first colonizing European nation... if Switzerland is big enough for four official languages, I'm sure Canada is big enough for two.

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No, but about 17% of Canadians are already bilingual, and the rest split for the most part between the two domestic languages. You can increase bilingualism, though. The best way is by changing the education system, requiring that all public schools be bilingual, but that is not likely to happen because the provinces would never agree to it. Otherwise, the government can make huge incentives to become bilingual, like offering higher income and more jobs to those who are. I was curious as to how you'd go about it in make Canada bilingual, Leafless, but you don't seem to make for as fun a discussion as I was hoping.

You are imposing unprecedented (like the Liberals) draconian, undemocratic methods to implement bilingualism, which is not part of a democratic, freer society.

You must really like communism, although at the same time, your critical of Quebec for being communist.

There is no benefit to the private sector in demanding bilingualism "just because". They demand it because they figure that if they can sell to locals in the locals' prefered domestic language, they'll increase revenue. They do it for the money, meaning that there is a natural demand.

The point is to date ALL BILINGUAL POLICIES in Canada, federal or municipal, with Quebec not participating at all, were ALL created without the input of tax paying citizens of Canada who were denied that legal right that is so inherent of our constitution and British law, that gave us this free democratic country initially.

How is the Québec charter of rights so terrible? I haven't read it, all I know is that one of their rights is that they are to not be discriminated based on their first language. Please quote their charter of rights if you think it is so terrible.

The 'Charter of the French Language' is basically a deluxe version of Bill-101 and we all know how that discriminates.

The point is Quebec is using this French Charter to nationalize Quebec characteristics is the same fashion as establishing a country.

You should read it sometime, as it makes interesting Nazi type reading and supports your type of imposed and dictated ideologies.

Cool! Specific example! Ok, firstly did you tell your son-in-law to never learn French?

My son- in- law is perfectly bilingual at the highest level.

We have several family members including myself who are or were federal public servants and are fully aware of ongoing bilingual based discrimination resulting in low moral, dissension, animosity, inefficiency.

Everyone knows about but few say anything.

Man, you sure sleep in. Plus official multiculturalism means nothing. It's a nonsense slogan for Canadian propaganda. It doesn't affect anyone other than cost us at most $0.01 in tax money per person once and that's it. Much more money has been wasted on other things, so paying a bit into a silly slogan is not changing anything.

There are other topics relating to the cost of 'federal official bilingualism' with estimates as high as $600-Billion dollars. Feel free to look them up.

Canada has two official languages, so putting stop signs in either language is fine.

No it is not since Canada is an 'official multicultural country' and French is not an internationally recognized language.

No, if it were about intellect, you'd know to get out of your seat and start influencing politicians.

Politicians tow the party line in Canada, BUISNESS RULES.

They're aware that they're a province. They are quite aware that they have nto yet seperated. There are bilingual stop signs in Ottawa, which are pretty cool.

All due to corrupt draconian dictated bilingual policies.

A few post back someone suggested that you must be dumb if you don't recognize what an octagon stop sign means.

Yeah, but as you said, the American government will not allow trends of the day to change their laws, unlike Canada.

I never said that, you did.

Ask the politicians to make a referendum. Not asking them will not make them any more likely to make one.

How do you know what I have written, or complained about or suggested to my MP or even the PM's office?

The only thing that will make them move on the bilingualism issue is a revolution.

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All in favor of bastardized French being jammed down the throats of ALL Canadians, please raise your wallets! You want French? You pay for it.

I want free exotic dancers for everyone. Why doesn't that idea get my tax dollars? It would be good for all Canadians, and should be paid for by the feds.

And ALL federal employees MUST be able to lapdance. Dancing predates the French language, so it has to be included in federal policies. If you can't lapdance, you will not be considered for the position.

I see no one has answered my earlier question of why sign language isn't an official requirement for federal employees. Wonder why that is? So deaf people don't matter, huh? How racist.

Kwebek can jam their bastardized French up their collective posteriors. The only official language in Canada is English. Don't like it? Get the hell out.

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