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Jane Finch? Dont believe what you read here. Besides, have you ever been in Jane Finch corridor?
Are you recommending I go in a spirit of friendship?

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Are you recommending I go in a spirit of friendship?

I think he recommends going in a spirit of animosity.

As a 5th or 6th generation WASP I can honestly say I have contributed nothing to Canada, beyond Taxes.

Yet, not a soul has ever questioned my position as a Canadian.

It seems there is a serious double standard at work in your mind.

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I think he recommends going in a spirit of animosity.
You know [email protected] well that I was asking if his recommendation was sarcastic. While Guyser and I agree on almost nothing we are cordial and debate ideas. You are a hater and a troll.
As a 5th or 6th generation WASP I can honestly say I have contributed nothing to Canada, beyond Taxes.

Yet, not a soul has ever questioned my position as a Canadian.

It seems there is a serious double standard at work in your mind.

What the h*** are you talking about? You know that I consider payment of taxes and keeping use of government services within reason part of the attributes of being a good citizen.

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You know [email protected] well that I was asking if his recommendation was sarcastic. While Guyser and I agree on almost nothing we are cordial and debate ideas. You are a hater and a troll.

What the h*** are you talking about? You know that I consider payment of taxes and keeping use of government services within reason part of the attributes of being a good citizen.

I'm talking about my not contributing a damn thing to Canada and actually, now that you mention it, sucking cash from the government tit in the form of welfare and Pogy for many long years.

Yet my citizenship has never been questioned or doubted. Why then the requirement for immigrants to 'contribute' but us non-deportables to not contribute?

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I'm talking about my not contributing a damn thing to Canada and actually, now that you mention it, sucking cash from the government tit in the form of welfare and Pogy for many long years.

Yet my citizenship has never been questioned or doubted. Why then the requirement for immigrants to 'contribute' but us non-deportables to not contribute?

Not sure what "Pogy" is but I can see a basis in difference of duties for someone born here (the person being born not having much choice in the matter) and someone choosing to come. The way I see it is if a country such as Canada decides to be a little bit compassionate to their poor that doesn't mean that the poor of all lands have a right to Canadian generosity.

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Not sure what "Pogy" is....

Wondered same thing...apparently "Pogey" is equivalent to "the dole", as in government assistance (specifically, employment insurance payments...renamed from unemployment insurance to help fragile egos?).

http://home.comcast.net/~russ1980/stuff/Pogey.pdf

Edited by bush_cheney2004

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Wondered same thing...apparently "Pogey" is equivalent to "the dole", as in government assistance (specifically, employment insurance payments...renamed from unemployment insurance to help fragile egos?).

http://home.comcast.net/~russ1980/stuff/Pogey.pdf

The very same.

JBG:

I can see a basis in difference of duties for someone born here (the person being born not having much choice in the matter) and someone choosing to come. The way I see it is if a country such as Canada decides to be a little bit compassionate to their poor that doesn't mean that the poor of all lands have a right to Canadian generosity
.

Thats where me and you differ. I believe that if I can access the cash If I meet certain requirements, then why shouldn't any Somali, Pakistani and/or Sikh? Perhaps the poor of all lands do not have a 'right' to Canadian generosity, but Canadian generosity should extend to as many people as it possibly can.

I disagree completely with the contention that because I was born here that I should be entitled to more than others not born here. I already get citizenship no questions asked and an immigrant has to put in some time before being allowed citizenship oaths and swearing in ceremonies. What other rights and privleges should I be entitled to that others shouldn't?

Edited by Peter F

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...Thats where me and you differ. I believe that if I can access the cash If I meet certain requirements, then why shouldn't any Somali, Pakistani and/or Sikh? Perhaps the poor of all lands do not have a 'right' to Canadian generosity, but Canadian generosity should extend to as many people as it possibly can.

The answer lies within the origin of the disparaging term "pogey". The standard had long been utter disdain for government welfare for all but the true needy. To enter the country as an immigrant expecting "pogey" from the git 'go rubs many Canadians the wrong way.

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The answer lies within the origin of the disparaging term "pogey". The standard had long been utter disdain for government welfare for all but the true needy. To enter the country as an immigrant expecting "pogey" from the git 'go rubs many Canadians the wrong way.

I understand that. My collecting pogey rubs many the wrong way also. I am questioning the apparent requirement of 'contributing' to justify citizenship.

Edited by Peter F

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I understand that. My collecting pogey rubs many the wrong way also. I am questioning the apparent requirement of 'contributing' to justify citizenship.

OK....my bad. Viewing citizenship as a privilege instead of a birthright, we can certainly identify negative and positive "contributions". On balance, and unless you are a convicted felon, you have likely made a positive contribution on balance through various metrics. An immigrant can make such contributions over time, but not on day one.

Edited by bush_cheney2004

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On balance, and unless you are a convicted felon, you have likely made a positive contribution on balance through various metrics. An immigrant can make such contributions over time, but not on day one.

Well, yes, since I am not a felon and pay taxes perhaps I may not be the anchor to Canada's progress that I have been passing myself off as. However, I, like many an immigrant, did indeed collect much from government largesse long before my alleged contributions.

But lines must be drawn somewhere I suppose. I just don't like where JBG draws those lines.

Contribution is neither here nor there and impossible to measure. So making that a lousy yardstick to determine citizenship.

Edited by Peter F

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....But lines must be drawn somewhere I suppose. I just don't like where JBG draws those lines.

Contribution is neither here nor there and impossible to measure. So making that a lousy yardstick to determine citizenship.

It may be a lousy yardstick, but it is measurable. The privilege of citizenship also has responsibilities. For instance, and assuming you are able bodied, you could be subject to conscription. You also are subject to jury duty. Ditto many forms of taxes.

Somebody has even enumerated a list of formal responsibilities with a bit more puffery:

-to obey Canada's laws

-to vote in the federal, provincial and municipal elections

-to eliminate discrimination and injustice

-to respect the rights of others

-to respect public and private property

-to support Canada's ideals, building the country we all share.

Edited by bush_cheney2004

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Somebody has even enumerated a list of formal responsibilities with a bit more puffery:

-to obey Canada's laws

-to vote in the federal, provincial and municipal elections

-to eliminate discrimination and injustice

-to respect the rights of others

-to respect public and private property

-to support Canada's ideals, building the country we all share.

Goodness. I can barely cut 50% of that. I guess I will have to get some citizenship papers for somebody to burn.

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Thats where me and you differ. I believe that if I can access the cash If I meet certain requirements, then why shouldn't any Somali, Pakistani and/or Sikh? Perhaps the poor of all lands do not have a 'right' to Canadian generosity, but Canadian generosity should extend to as many people as it possibly can.
And who will fund that "Canadian generosity"?

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Americans, of course.

LOL

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